Anyone else think there might be something strange about the 19yr old disappearance in Tenerife?

[BonifaceBonanza]

I get that kids do foolish things, like travelling at night with 2 strangers.

But if he was seen at the new accommodation around 8am, and again walking briskly along the road some time “later”, how could he have needed to make a call at 8.30am saying he was lost, had no phone charge and needed water? He would have only just left the accommodation so definitely wouldn’t need water. And why not send your gps or what three words location then?

Agree, and the comments are from those who, ironically, truly believe they are 'above' the likes of the family and friends when it just makes them look completely classless and very unpleasant.

I think this is the reason that posters are joking etc (don't agree with what they're doing, obv), that from the first moment people were confused at how Lucy and the family were behaving, and hence there was a belief that he was hiding or similar.
The longer it goes on, though, the less likely all of that seems.
It's all very sad 😔

Apart from his older brother the rest of the family didn’t look in any fit physical shape to search. They probably did the right thing by not adding another casualty. They should have used the money for private search and rescue from day 1 though. There have not been many scouring off road.

I can't imagine many parents would want to leave the body of their child behind. I certainly couldn't.

1. Made a stupid teenage decision to walk back and injured himself and is now dead.
2. Drug deal gone very wrong and revenge has been exacted. Probably also now dead, but maybe impossible to find.

I imagine the police have a fuller picture. The family is really not helping with their constant criticism of rescue efforts.

I think it’s the uncertainty that would be a terrible thing to bear. At least if a body is found they can bury or cremate him, and have some finality in their minds.

I'm so pleased I haven't seen anyone laughing or joking about this, it would really make me angry.

Clearly he was a nasty piece of work but he was young and might have turned his life around - but now that opportunity has been taken away by a probably horrible death. Unlike MM he was too young and fit to die a quick death due to heat exhaustion.

For me questions still arise as to why he chose to take that journey to the Air BnB. If he was a well known drug user and dealer, why would he physically have to go so far off the beaten track to score his next fix or deal? Everything would have been available to him in the town where he was staying.

So, yes, the two men he spent the night with do have questions to answer. The Spanish police say they have done that to their satisfaction but as almost the last people to see him alive, and the people he spent a whole night with, it's completely understandable that others have an interest in them.

My 20 year old goes out and stays out very late indeed and crashes with people he knows and trusts. When at home he rarely gets up before midday unless it's a work day. If he'd been out partying I don't believe he would get up at 8am for no particular reason.

Honestly, @LindorDoubleChoc, I don't think it sounds abnormal. Blokes make 'best friends' while they're high at a party. Two of them say they've got some good weed/spice/ket/whatever at home, does he want to join them? Seems like a fantastic idea at the time.

Kid wakes up on sofa a few hours later, coming down but still fuzzy, thinks what am I doing here, has a cup of tea and a fag, sets off to catch a bus. We know the rest.

I wonder if one day we will be chipped at birth. A bit Black Mirror and anything could go wrong, but still.

Oh I’ll leave the details to others. 😂

But I do sometimes wonder why not.

“So, yes, the two men he spent the night with do have questions to answer. The Spanish police say they have done that to their satisfaction but as almost the last people to see him alive, and the people he spent a whole night with, it's completely understandable that others have an interest in them.”

But who are ‘others’? If the police have spoken to them and are satisfied then no one else needs to speak to them, certainly not random people reading about it. I read in the BBC article that the police are fully satisfied with the men and they now have nothing to do with it.

”Investigators have spoken to the pair and they are "not in any way relevant to the case".”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpe3nwn5d7wo

My 20 year old goes out and stays out very late indeed and crashes with people he knows and trusts. When at home he rarely gets up before midday unless it's a work day. If he'd been out partying I don't believe he would get up at 8am for no particular reason.

The timeline suggests they didn’t get back to the Airbnb until at least 5am, maybe later - he didn’t get up at 8am more likely he hadn’t actually been to sleep.

That's the thing! He didn't go back for an after party that lasted a few hours and then had a sleep and woke up deciding to leave..he had been there perhaps at least an hour and then decided to leave..doesn't add up going all that way.(admittedly he probably didn't realise how far it was)
Makes little sense he decided to slip and slide down a mountain too but who knows.

Maybe we had different teenage years, but many many times I went to some randoms party after a club, sometimes stayed till morning, sometimes decided it was shit and left. I see nothing unusual in this.

I understand if you had a different early adult hood, but if you were a bit of a party animal as millions were,and are, this would not seem remotely strange.

Exactly @Sillystrumpet this was normal for me and my friends in my 17-21 era. It may be unusual for some but it isn’t for everyone. And me and my friends didn’t even touch drugs. Some of us weren’t even drinking.

And the thing is there were voice & video calls from him and in-person sighting of him AFTER leaving the house, stating he was on his way back, so it’s not really a question of why would he do that. The fact is he did.

But if we do want a “reason” I can imagine someone like Jay who sounds impulsive, and is possibly high and is thinking a bit more chaotically than usual, thinking it’s a wonderful idea to have no sleep then venture back out for a ten hour walk in the heat.

How do you know he slept at all? I heard he got back there around 6am - they probaby chatted for a bit then he decided to head back to the resort. He probably felt pretty shit - sobering up or coming down from a high, and just wanted to get back.
Honestly, this all sounds perfectly plausible to me. My teenage years were pretty wild. We often went off to stranger's houses to continue partying, we often stayed awake all night. I had two holidays in Tenerife as a teenager and yes we went back to people's houses. One night we got a bit lost and ended up in some rocky hillside. I was so drunk I fell all the way down the hill! I'm amazed I survived all my idiotic teenage antics.
I can easily see him setting off from the house, worse for wear and getting into trouble. This to me is the most plausible explanation especially as he was seen walking up the mountain road and his phone was last located in the mountain area.

No, I said he probably didn't sleep.
Of course I went back to peoples houses in my young adulthood,and of course I've been back and decided it was crap etc and left early.
I never went a 40 min drive away from my home however with no way to get back.
That being said I'm looking at this from an adult what would I do POV and your right, I shouldn't.
Thinking back to some of the stupid and downright dangerous choices I made when drunk it's easy to see how he got where he did.

Not condoning anything but I'm befuddled at the idea its "classism" or any other 'ism tbh, I'm working class myself and I think it's considerably more to do with the chete incident, rumours around the whole scenario and the 40 grand GFM... be the same thing if the Slater's were MC... except maybe people would be much less accepting of a well-off family asking the public to donate to a
40 grand+ GFM in a cost of living crisis.

Indeed, I see many working class people on facebook themselves mocking it- if you told them it was due to 'classism' then they'd soon put you right.

Tbqh, I think sometimes ideas that xyz is classist/snobbery is just the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Summary: the mocking is more to do with their perceived behaviour rather than their perceived class.

Christ I did more than 40 min drive .

and really you shouldn’t look at it as what would I do. The question is is it odd behaviour and the answer is no it’s totally normal for many young adults

I'm sorry but I think there's a hell of a lot of snobbery and classism around this family. Having read an article on Facebook today there were several comments calling them "chavs". People saying they're just doing it to get a free holiday, they haven't dragged themselves away from the pool. I mean it's complete bollocks. There has been nothing to say they haven't left the pool. I think people are thinking the worst because they're working class. Calling them "chavs" has very strong class connotations.

Also when I wrote my post, which you quoted, I actually had your previous comments in my mind! Now, I never remember posters names on Mumsnet but one of your comments I found quite shocking/upsetting and I remembered your name because I thought "Yes she is being a snob!".

You posted about his dad's tattoo with a comment like "And have you seen his dad's tattoo? Pure class!". When I read that I just thought what the hell?! How is that in any way relevant to anything? It's not related to Jay missing or his past or the GFM - it was simply a sneering remark made about a man who's lost his teenage son, because what? He looks low class to you?

Then you shared photos of his friends...

This is exactly what I mean - so many people are taking cheap shots at this family because they think they're beneath them. They're living through my worst nightmare. They don't need feel like the whole country thinks they're a big joke.

The mcCanns are given the same crap and they're pretty wealthy imo.

I also remember the tattoo comment, but it was referring to the fact it was Gary Gliiter, not that he had a tattoo ffs.

Yep, the McCanns were absolutely vilified online. People seem to forget that.

It's got nothing to do with class other than maybe providing different fodder for memes and suchlike. People absolutely would be just as brutal to a MC family. Just in a different way.

The Daily Fail and the Scum have posted a photo of one of the guys from the Airbnb

Now the truth is coming out!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13596161/jay-slater-rolex-stole-missing-airbnb-tenerife.html