Are many people still homophobic ?

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Twice now I've had jobs where it's come up in conversation where do your adult dcs live.
Around the month in point.Both times I've said where my DD lives and my ds who is gay lives with his partner.
Both times my colleagues have gone weird with me.
I live in a nice town and have worked in smaller villages.
Are people still homophobic or am I being paranoid.

It’s always been really, really easy to tell men from women as long as you’re not going on hair styles, clothes, nails and all that other gender stuff. Stereotyping and gender ideology is very damaging, posters saying their butch lesbian friends are being challenged in womens toilets. People should use their eyes to really look at the persons build, features etc, not their hair, clothes etc. It’s very simple.

You keep saying people should use their eyes to look, but they don't. Talk to older butch lesbians who will tell you it has always been an issue for some women.

Gods yes. An acquaintance of mine goes on about her "girlfriend" and how nobody accepts the "girlfriend" is a lesbian.

Could be because the "girlfriend" is a man.

Unfortunately there is still a lot of homophobia out there. Even people that say they’re not homophobic, sometimes if you dig a little deeper, they are.

Some people always have and will be homophobic. It feels to me however like many things are regressing in a really depressing way though and not only homophobia but in other areas like racism, ableism etc. Almost like we are going backwards? I mean the word woke being an insult etc.

Is it the internet and people feel more emboldened to let their views out? Maybe I'm spending more time online just with people who I wouldn't normally spend time with in real life as such.

Agree 💯

Someone who thinks children should learn that gay people exist, or who don’t want it shoved in their faces is homophobic. I always find it odd that homophobic people deny the are, the same with racists, they for some bizarre reason pretend they aren’t.

Yep, my cousin experiences the same thing, she was recently abused in a gym and two women reported her to reception for going in the changing room. The transphobes seem to always blame this on trans people, rather than admitting they hate lesbians, despite knowing a neighbours cousins colleague who is a lesbian.

Women tend to want to change with women only. I don’t know any woman that would even think about the sexuality of other women in the women’s changing room. Women know that other women aren’t a threat to us.

On the other hand, every woman in my family and friendship group would have an issue with a man being in their changing room. That’s not transphobic. It’s just about privacy, dignity and safety.

My male partner doesn’t want women in the mens changing room. No safety issue, but still a privacy and dignity one.

This. 100% this. One of my DC has been aggressively harassed in the female toilets for being ngc. And on mentioning that on FWR, I was called a liar. The self righteous GC brigade who think they're infallible have a lot to answer for.

Will you please stop with this?

The woman falsely accused of being a man is local to me, and has been subject to really nasty and extensive abuse and harassment, directly due to the MN FWR board.

Sadly its no surprise to hear there are still idiots banging on about it and trying to do yet more harm.

Leave her alone FFS

And yet here’s you, on this thread, stirring up renewed speculation about the sex of a woman who has already been abused and harassed as a direct result of, oh yes… mn FWR threads speculating about her sex

This is not true.

Girls in school get bullied badly in changing rooms for PE if they are even remotely “suspected” of being gay.

Homophobia is alive and kicking, as it has always been, and I suspect alway will be.

My Dad was the same when my nephew came out as gay a couple of years ago he's in his 80,s I would like to think there is less homophobia around ,but there will be some

Hi @Simonjt I’m happy to discuss your comment. You’d probably call me a transphobe though….

Is your cousin a ‘butch’ lesbian?

I have one too although she is not ‘butch’ - you actually wouldn’t be able to tell that her and her wife are lesbians. So I doubt they would ever get reported BUT

They were banned from certain clubs in the gay village because of their views on only wanting to sleep with women - They were called transphobes for this.

They were called transphobes for calling for men to stay out the women’s toilets.

They were called Nazis for not wanting to sleep with men by stonewall.

They had to get a police escort whilst marching with other lesbians in the parade whilst men screamed abuse at them. They were walking with their kids.

We actually went through IVF at the same time so we are very close so do please fuck off with your ‘transphobes but really hate lesbians’ Honestly fuck off. You have no idea how as a community they feel ostracised.

Lesbians were actually the very first to sound the alarm with the mission creep of transgender ideology but they were ignored by everyone. They gay men didn’t give a fuck that men in dresses were pretending to be women to get in lesbian bars - there is no love lost between those groups of people - in fact gay men can be incredibly misogynistic to lesbians calling them ‘fish/dyke’ ect..

Traditionally lesbians supported transvestites until it became clear if these women didn’t sleep with them they would be called names and ostracised from the very community they helped set up.

Lesbian date nights cancelled, ‘Punch a TERF being shouted in to a micro phone at pride despite many lesbians being labelled a TERF because they are only attracted to women.

Yes there are lesbians that support men in changing rooms ect.. but you will always get turkeys voting for Xmas.

Next point -

It’s very rare if you can’t tell a female is a man - that’s because some women can look like a very young male - that’s if your story is true..

However it’s ultra rare if you can’t tell if an adult man is a women. The eye brow ridge, Adam’s Apple, nose, straight hips, the gait of a stride all take seconds for our brains to register it’s a man. That’s why so many men are having feminising surgery to hide all those traits.

The influx of men trying to crawling in to women’s spaces have absolutely caused women to be scared. Blame that on the men - not the women who are trying to undress in peace.

I don’t think that’s what @NightsWithYou is doing. I haven’t seen the mumsnet thread, only screenshots on another big forum where people were suspicious of the motives of the FWR posters on that thread. They seemed to say that they weren’t genuine FWR posters and were trying to make the board and mumsnet look transphobic.

It doesn’t happen in my daughters year at her school. I did say women though, not girls/children in a school environment. The school environment is awful for many children that are ‘different’ and I think schools don’t deal with it well at all.

I don’t believe for a second that there’s lots of bullying/homophobia towards adult lesbians at the gym/pool changing rooms. I have not seen it and my friends haven’t experienced it. There are women of all ages, sizes, presentations and I’m sure some will be gay. Women just get on with getting changed amongst other women because they’re not a threat to us and we’re all the same, that is, female.

No. Simply not the case.

A lot of regular FWR posters, and a lot of meek apologies going on in the 2nd thread.

If they weren't genuine FWR posters but were simply trying to stir trouble they wouldn't have been apologetic would they?

Their obsessive preoccupation with and hostility towards trans people is directly responsible for their harassment of another woman and they need to own that.

Um no. People are still funny about not wanting to get changed with a woman they think is gay in case she fancies them. There was a thread on Mumsnet a few years ago where people were talking about PE in their schooldays and how inappropriate it was apparently to have lesbian PE teachers (because obviously as a lesbian, the teacher would perv on 15 year old girls getting changed). Loads of homophobia on there about being "uncomfortable".

At uni i remember one of my housemates saying she would find it gross if any of us were a lesbian and wouldn't feel safe.

The whole "we're all fine with lesbians" is from the anti trans movement where a lot of straight women pretend they are totally cool with it but only if it's not taught at school, "rammed down their throats" or in any way "flaunted".

In fairness though, i wouldn't want my kids to be gay as i believe that it is a more difficult life, particularly around having a family of their own. My father was gay, as is a close friend and both have said that they wouldn't have chosen to be.if they were, however, they would get all the love and support that i could muster.

I got banned from a Facebook group for saying I intended to avoid Pride.
Got accused of homophobia.
Im gay, and it was straight "Allies" who saw fit to screech homophobia.
Nothing quite like forced participation 😂

I avoid Pride because we spent years fighting to be viewed as normal and unremarkable, and I don't really think that parading around with your cock out in fetish gear and encouraging kids to come and play is quite the degeneracy we were thinking of when we fought to be not viewed as freaks.

This^ is all true.

That’s lovely for you that you didn’t hear from your daughter of it happening in her year in her school - none of which makes it any less prevalent in schools all over the country.

And it definitely happens in adult female only spaces as well - been there, seen it, many times.

How lovely for you to never see it or hear about it - must mean it never happens, of course.

Hogwash. Utter hogwash.

In the unlikely event that was what Nights meant they should have been a hell of a lot clearer about it when the whole point is a woman’s sex status being dragged though the mud, and the press, because of mn threads.

Double hogwash at the pathetic attempt to blame bad actors for what happened on that board.

Own it when things go wrong and harm is done - at least have that scrap of dignity.

Hear hear 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻