Just stop oil morons

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I've just seen 2 just stop oil idiots have vandalised stonehenge. Wtf is wrong with these utter morons?! I actually feel really angry and just a day before the solstice. I don't understand what they think this kind of stupidity achieves? Certainly not support for their cause and beliefs. The historian commenting said it best 'Parade your concern for the planet by destroying endangered lichens. Sympathy transmuted into utter loathing.'

These idiots are doing absolutely nothing to 'just stop oil'. In my view its absolutely lazy, pointless wanton vandalism. Yes we are talking about them, but shouting vague slogans about people not caring about their children's future just puts people's backs up. Of course we care about our children's future. I volunteer for a local environmental group along with many other volunteers, we are doing something positive in our local area. It may be small but we hope we make a difference. The publicity hungry idiots from JSO aren't doing anything positive in my eyes to promote their cause - minimal effort but maximum negative publicity.

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast your solution to climate catastrophy is to 'throw our hands in the air and accept we can't do anything ' wow

Like the planet?
We do far more damage to the planet every day through small actions than Just Stop Oil are doing to human made things. Yet we value human made things more.

Can you explain what you mean by "invest in science"?

And the second bit - you mean, just give up?

Do others here agree? If so, I'm surprised that a parenting forum would be so passive. I think most people on here have children who will have to live through disaster after disaster pretty soon.

You could study and work hard and become an expert in your field and contribute to innovations that create important solutions to mitigate and adapt to climate change?

It doesn't have the same hero narrative or garner the same attention as blasting orange cornflour at Stonehenge though. 🤷🏼‍♀️

So you do more wrong things? Amazing solution.

It is. But they are causing damage and inconveniencing and pushing off people who would otherwise support their cause. No solutions as to what we do if we ' just stop oil' . Import oil from poorer countries perhaps? If we immediate stop oil production that will mean no transport, cars won't be able to get anywhere, prople won't be able to get to work, huge increases in electricity use ( also from fossil fuels in the main) or a massive reduction in consumption. No computers, no mobile phones, completely self sufficient food supply, Most of these people are retired old hippies and yes , arts students. If they really wanted to halt climate change, they would train as heatpump engineers and home insulation fitters, because the shortages in those areas are what is stopping our ability to reduce consumption. Not drama students gluing themselves to the Mona Lisa!

So, study for years and become an inventor?

I don't think I'm personally able to do that. Can't afford to go back to uni now. And we're running out of time now.

Is there anything else we could do?

To be fair the Victorians had picnics on the stones and carved graffiti on them untill they were stood up again and declared a national monument. So we don't need to be too precious about Stonehenge, it's survived this long.

A quick easy attention fix for flimsy people.

The hard graft around moving the discussion on environmental matters and getting things done is patiently winning hearts and minds , convincing with evidence, working with politicians and stakeholders etc. Long hours, crap pay, thankless stuff.

Much work has gone into building climate awareness and other environmental matters and we were getting to a good place. Many people have spent years doing the unsexy work. Of meeting after meeting, of being told to fuck off by stakeholders and going back patiently and professionally again and again. It's the resourses put into working on the evidence, learning how to communicate that doesn't alienate people or make them despair. It's arguing again and again with budget holders to convince them to fund projects. Working with politicians, building the science, the consensus, the networks, the policy, the legislation, the court cases. Thousands of people, so much money and effort and time. Lifetimes of dedicated work for some.

Then these silly, vain fuckers that want to preen about on camera and parade some kind of moral superiority over others, fuck about like this. I do think it's damaging and turning off the public. Yeah, it's getting talked about but it's being shit-talked about.

So, you'll just throw crap at stuff, like a monkey registering his protest? @Begsthequestion

I wonder how we'll look back on all this in say 50 years time.

Or, more realistically, 20 or so years' time.

I'm not prepared to engage with your posts unless you can speak respectfully.

We’re not that far removed from monkeys. If you remove the inventions of a small group of people that the rest of us copied then we’re no better. Forgetting that we’re animals propped up by a small number of inventors and geniuses has been half our error.

Monkeys would never, ever destroy their own habitat like this.

quoted wrong post

I asked you what you meant by "invest in science."

To invest in science and accept that sometimes you can’t solve everything. You missed out the first bit.

Invest in Science - governments should be putting money towards environmental initiatives and STEM generally as I think science is most likely to find an innovative way to problem solve. Like they did with coral reefs for example.

Acceptancw - we are merely a moment in time on this planet. It has gone through climate catastrophe previously and rebuilt. I know everyone is scared for their children but we are just tiny tiny bits of star dust in a universe of billions of planets.

Answered.

If you saw a single monkey atop a pile of bananas, more than it could ever eat in its entire lifetime, watching other monkeys starving to death around it, wouldn't that be strange?

Yet billionaires do it everyday.

And if you saw some monkeys setting fire to their only home, with no where else to live, and all the other monkeys just sat around passively and watched, until they were also consumed by fire, wouldn't you think that they were very sick animals, that something was seriously wrong?

I don’t know, some species are pretty destructive and violent…. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable theory that if they experienced similar numbers of population they’d destroy their own environment. Most animals would.

humans have out-scienced nature and is trying to sustain levels of populations that just wouldn’t have occurred naturally all things left equal. I’m very interested in the phenomenon that education, particularly of women, leads to lower populations by choice. I think it’s hard wired into us to have an awareness of what is and isn’t sustainable.

Where can I go to throw orange powder on Just Stop Oil?

I agree, governments should do that. But I don't think they are. So how do we make them do it?

I don't agree. I've never heard of animals willingly destroying their only habitat. Where do you get your theory from?