Thread 43 Sunak - Seriously Scapegoating

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Buckle up for the local elections 🍿

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Let fury have the hour - anger can be power
Do you know that you can use it ?

A bloody well done to the people of the West Midlands for demonstrating that voting can achieve change.

I hope that has fired up a few more people for the GE

If Keir is a peanut, does she want Rishi to be a razor blade? Is that the kind of imagery she thinks will make people feel safe? Loving that she is in red while she says this, looking wild eyed and flummoxed.

I thought they were meant to be the party with all the data?

I hope what it has done is convince people their vote matters. If 1509 people who voted Labour had stayed at home the result would have been different.

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If Keir is a peanut, does she want Rishi to be a razor blade? I

Sounds like a really crap job interview question. Maybe Suella is practising ?

All the stuff about charisma.

Has Sunak got charisma?
Did May have charisma?
John Major?
Gordon Brown?

I can only think of a few PMs who have had real charisma - like them or not - and that was Johnson, Blair and Thatcher.

I thought "rizz" was the modern contraction ? If not word of the year 2023 ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67602699

If you were going for charisma as your main reason for voting you wouldn’t vote for Braverman. It’s a bit pot, kettle, black.

I suppose she has to do that for the sake of her own ambitions. However, surely the lesson of these elections is that all that right wing posturing doesn't work with the electorate? All Sunak's efforts with rounding people up for Rwanda and announcing benefit cuts for the disabled clearly didn't impress there voters one jot, if anything they will have cemented the decisions of centrist Tories to abstain or vote against them.

Andy Burnham bashing thread incoming. So tedious.

This is a new one on me but there are unsavoury parts of MN I obviously don't hang out in .

If nothing else, there are some deeper learnings from May 2nd that can now be applied to the GE (yet another reason Sunak has made things 100x worse for the Tories).

• Gaza: impact can now be quantified as well as qualified.
• No one cares about "knows what a woman is"
• Not a single vote was swayed by Rwanda. Not one.
• Reform: only a thread to the Tories.

In the hands of competent strategists, that's quite valuable data. All free too. Cheers Rish!.

Yes, but at no point did LK put that to her.

Rwanda is massively unpopular. Performative cruelty is not a vote winner. Who would have thunk?

Hilarious to hear Braverman accusing Starmer of having the charisma of a peanut. Coming from someone with the charisma of a cowpat, that is deeply ironic.

@SerendipityJane I've learnt I don't have rizz today. Thank you for educating me.

Dd had me in stitches on the way home a few days ago by reminding me that on a brain-fog day in the supermarket I loudly declared she might like to look over here because she has "a pate fetish" at the moment. She said she was mortified and watched an old lady look up at me in alarm before quietly shuffling away at speed.

I'm definitely more aligned to the peanut.

sniffs ..

it's a legume, not a nut ...

I think you can add his attacks on the climate as well

I wonder whether this will affect Tory donations? If I were a rich entrepreneur looking to suck up to the party most likely to affect my business, right now I think I would be working out that donations to the Conservatives would be money down the drain.

Quite - I wasn't claiming to be exhaustive, that was a Sunday morning mid coffee analysis.

Returning to Gaza. The bad new for Team Tory is that even Labour "losing" 69 fucking thousand votes in the mayoral elections wasn't enough to see off the challenge. And frankly I doubt you will find as many concentrated areas of the country as Brum that are as sensitive to the issue. I wrote this having got caught up for an hour in a traffic jam in 2021 when a pro-Palestine march took over the city.

There are quite a few chemtrails in the air now, and they all seem to suggest that the fetish for FPTP is looking more like that brief fashion for concrete flippers that never quite took off.

If donations work in the real world then donors expect something in return.

What can the Tories deliver now ? Beyond them being tax deductible ?

FT reported recently on how quickly the tickets for business day at next September's Labour conference sold out. Conservatives hadn't filled their quota.

Probably because I like to go on right-winger Twitter threads to wind them up, my twitter feed is full of frothing today from the usual suspects on the right. There's quite an interesting and enjoyable mix this morning:

1. The people who suddenly object to the postal vote, and find it deeply suspicious that mayoral votes don't get counted till the Saturday after the election. Because of course, completely undetected, Labour broke into all the places where votes were stored and spent Friday changing Tory votes to Labour ones.
2. The people confidently predicting that every area with a Labour mayor is about to descend into a hellhole of lawlessness and mayhem, despite the fact that many have been in power for some time without the apocalypse happening.
3. The people confidently stating that the whole thing has been engineered by Moslems and we are about to descend into a hellhole or sharia law, polygamy and extremism. Because, of course, none of those votes for Labour came from non-Moslems. Step forward, Laurence Fox.
4. The people saying they will withdraw their blessed presence from the capital because they are so horrified by the prospect of Khan carrying on. Step forward, Laurence Fox again. He does say he will deign to go into London for work, because of course producers and directors are falling over themselves to offer him work all over the country. Bless.

At some point, a self fulfilling prophecy develops.

The Tories should read "Appointment in Samarra". Hell, we all should.

I hope everyone is suggesting Bromley to Liam Fox (sorry posters who live there)?

It feels quite surreal, as if some witchy spell has finally broken that seemed to have the country in it's thrall for a decade. I still feel it's as though someone in the Tory party forgot to pay Cambridge Analytica this year, or opted for a cheaper knock-off version so they could spend more on DC's jet.

I hope everyone is suggesting Bromley to Liam Fox (sorry posters who live there)

I might suggest a lot of things to Liam Fox. But I'd have to chose things that would fit.

If Andy Burnham had become Labour leader in 2015 instead of Jeremy Corbyn, maybe we would have been spared Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and all that those two brought on the country.