What incels reckon makes a good woman:

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This is the list posted by a bunch of morons who should not be allowed the internet:

Loses weight after pregnancy
Low body count/dresses modestly
Dress size 12 or lower / no FUPA
Waist to hip ratio 0.7
No trauma
Balanced PH levels/bubblegum pink
Reasonably sized forehead/areolas
Can cook and clean
No single mums
No stretch marks
Open to labiaplasty
Has low iron levels
Can spell coconut with her waist
Not a feminist
Not moody during her period
Doesnt believe in starsigns
Doesnt nag

At first I laughed SO HARD - wtf does low iron levels even mean? But then honestly I started to feel sad and angry that this bullshit incel culture and porn is shaping young mens approaches to what women should be.

Its SO gross.

You're still going on about this colleague?? 😮. I feel so incredibly sorry for them...not because of their life choices but because they work with someone who is utterly obsessed with them. I am being really serious, I honestly think you may need some help. It really is not normal to fixate on another persons life like this.

I'm not him . If I were a man , I would go for a higher class of woman

When a man barebacks a woman, his action of doing so gives her the ability to make his fertility decisions for him. When he chooses to bareback, he consents to this situation.

This has nothing to do with the "class" of woman she is and everything to do with the class of man he is: namely, idiot.

I think that attempting to trap a man through pregnancy says something about the class of person.

Right....

You're either

A man who is in love with this woman and jealous.

A woman who is in love with this man and jealous.

Or you are indeed just a colleague with no connection.

Whichever one of these things you are....like is said, you really need some help.

When a man barebacks a woman, his action of doing so gives her the ability to make his fertility decisions for him. When he chooses to bareback, he consents to this situation.

He trapped himself. Her contraception could have failed, causing the same outcome, yet he wanted to bareback regardless.

It says a lot about the class of man that he is that he'll risk his future for bareback sex.

She bullied me at work and I dreaded seeing her everyday. Now I just laugh at her poor lifestyle

I actually mean this kindly now, although I realise you won't believe me: leaving aside who you are for now, you have issues with women and other people and it's not a problem that can be solved externally. For all your talk of laughing at certain women and your superiority and blah blah, you're clearly deeply unhappy and clinging on to something poisonous that's harming only you...although when you engage in misogynistic and sexist stereotypes and downplay men's responsibility for their own fertility, you're harming all women, even those who have never done you wrong.

You won't find happiness doing this and nor will you right the world doing it either. Introspection is no bad thing.

Worth repeating:

when you engage in misogynistic and sexist stereotypes and downplay men's responsibility for their own fertility, you're harming all women, even those who have never done you wrong.

I've often said "first rule of misogyny" but the first rule of misogyny is also the flip-side of the first rule of misandry: "men can't take responsibility for their own lives and decisions so women must do it for them and take the blame when it goes wrong".

It's clear from Tartan's last post that she's allowed her justifiable anger at being bullied by this woman to blind her to the man's need to take responsibility for his own fertility. Tartan has done this man a disservice by infantilising him.

Being bullied sucks. Especially at work. I get that. But Dworkin's assessment that feminism means fighting for all women as a class, including the ones you don't like, applies even to female bullies.

You can criticise a woman for being a bully while still accepting that her male partners are responsible for their own fertility. The fact she has this particular character defect doesn't make her responsible for the defects in every man she encounters. It also doesn't justify objectifying all women as being of various "classes" with some ranking as better quality than others like prize sows.

Him having a face like thunder doesn't mean that she trapped him or that it wasn't an accidental pregnancy for her too.
And getting pregnant quickly doesn't mean anything either. It only takes one time to get pregnant which I'm sure you know.

Extremely misogynistic attitude that she trapped him to have an easier lifestyle and get more cash, and the attitude isn't one that is backed by reality.

He could pay the bare minimum child maintenance, she's hardly going to be raking it in. She might not be able to go back to work, or may only need to go back part time, childcare costs could make things extremely difficult. She's likely to have less money than before not more, but then that's obvious but doesn't fit in with the misogynistic narrative that you're trying to spread.

Women want good genes for their child.

Cripes, has anyone seen this? Incels are now praising Westfield Bondi stabbing spree maniac, Joel Cauchi:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13338745/Westfield-Bondi-Junction-attack-Chilling-incel-posts.html

In the aftermath of his attack on innocent shoppers on Saturday, April 13, which claimed the lives of five women and one male security guard, dozens of users on a depraved incel forum speculated about Cauchi's motivations.

'More of these things will continue to happen due to men lashing out in response to their lives being f*ed by feminism,' one user wrote.

Another warned menacingly that feminists' 'time will come, trust me'.

I'm appalled and angered, but not surprised.

I'd like to remind these incels that the last thing Cauchi saw was a woman shooting him. And that two men acted to save the life of the baby he stabbed.

We choose good men or spinsterhood because you incels are not worthy of any woman. Your continued bilespew on social media only strengthens our case.

NonPlayerCharacter · Today 11:22

I'm appalled and angered, but not surprised.

Yes, same for me.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · Today 11:29

I'd like to remind these incels that the last thing Cauchi saw was a woman shooting him.

Yes, it's grimly appropriate, isn't it?

They rate women like objects, out of 10 (it's purely looks, some incels and red pillers talk about qualities - always qualities that are convenient for them, but the original rating system was always purely looks).

Then they get angry that they can't pull above a 7 etc.

They talk about women constantly as 5s, 6s etc.

One guy in the US on the forum I used to go on - I presume from Iran or Irak originally -. posted photos he'd taken of the young woman on his date (I think it was set up via OLD) ..... photos he'd taken surreptitiously without her knowledge or consent while on the date.

He was saying she was much less attractive/lower rating than he'd expected from photos, and bemoaning/expressing frustration about "this" being what he was on a date with, how he should be able to do better than her, and "best' of all; why had she set up a date with him, because he felt he was out of her league, and she should have known it, and did she really think he was her level?
There was palpable anger coming across.

This was accompanied by descriptions of himself an an "exotic, Persian guy at X on the rating system".

He posted photos of himself on being prompted; and he was an average looking guy with a bit of male pattern baldness, who about a billion guys in that area of the world look similar to.

They are "aspirational" and entitled in everything - work, dating etc. They feel like failures if they can't get a woman they think is above a 7 and it drives them increasingly crazy and bitter.

They also tend to be socially inept, which damages them.a lot.

Because I've known plenty of charming, great communicator, engaging men who pull objectively out of their league .... But these guys have none of those qualities. Women often don't feel safe or comfortable around them.

They never ever see it as their personalities or social skills though .... it's always hypergamy and women being stupid and women being bitches and women having too much choice & freedom etc.

I don't think that's the original definition of an alpha male. More the internet definition of 'alpha', which is usually muscular, brash, Andrew Tate-ish. These guys are far too insecure to be real alpha males.

Real alpha males are the natural leaders. The ones that people look up to as leaders. CEOs etc. Not chumps in the gym on steroids. The phrase isn't just human related, it applies to animals too.

The original definition of alpha male is a male who can physically overpower all of the other males, he just has to be able to take each & every one one of them in a fight.

I did say "so called"

This is their view,not mine.

Alpha males are, imo, men who are not self conscious or awkward in any way. Who make other people feel comfortable and at ease in their presence. Confident and self assured but not cocky. Who know how to behave in a variety of different situations.

Is this true?

It's not always the bigger dog that leads the pack. My friend has a Jack Russell and a German Shepherd and the former is the boss.