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If you are a sahm...

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spandauballroom · 04/02/2024 18:37

Is that how you explain what you do if someone asks?
What do you say if someone asks your job?

OP posts:
Calliopespa · 05/02/2024 12:23

Hobbitfeet32 · 05/02/2024 12:12

@Bridgetjoneski your parenting style sounds intense and suffocating and would not suit my children’s personalities at all. My kids are thriving having input from a variety of family and friends and childcare providers who love them and have done nothing but enrich their lives. They are confident and sociable and they recognise that mum and dad are also both humans in their own rights with their own needs. Everyday is a day closer to them becoming more and more independent. Your set up does not sound a healthy way to live.
Not only that, providing for your family is an essential part of parenting otherwise we would need to say why did all these dads have kids if they didn’t want to stay home with them??

You make a fair point about providing being a part of parenting; but if the children are adequately provided for by one parent, ( including on occasion savings or investments of sahp), that issue does drop away. I’m glad your set up works for you and you feel it works for your children and that it is encouraging their independence, but it’s really out of order to tell Bridget her children’s lives sound unhealthy. It smacks of exactly what people suspect is the issue with working parents: sour grapes.

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 05/02/2024 12:23

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:07

I know of one or two mums who work full time who often boast "child free dinner with dh", "kid free weekend away" etc... It really irks me! Like really what was the point in having kids! These women work 40 hours plus, kids in childcare.. These mindless "childfree" social media captions really do annoy me, it also makes the mums seem entirely incapable!

What an odd way of thinking.

Can I ask, in your mind - what is the acceptable amount of time that a mother can spend away from her child?

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:29

Each to their own @aperolspritzbasicbitch many parents actually really enjoy spending time with their kids & don't feel the need to shout from the roof tops every few weeks their on the razz..

Calliopespa · 05/02/2024 12:31

WithACatLikeTread · 05/02/2024 10:09

How have you done society a favour?

Well at the very least she is making a counter case for women having the option to care for their own children if they feel it is beneficial/ appropriate in their circumstances. I’m all for women being free to carve their own path without other women stigmatising them.

Hobbitfeet32 · 05/02/2024 12:32

@Bridgetjoneski so to clarify then you don’t spend every minute of the day with your children. A bit like me then!

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 05/02/2024 12:32

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:29

Each to their own @aperolspritzbasicbitch many parents actually really enjoy spending time with their kids & don't feel the need to shout from the roof tops every few weeks their on the razz..

I enjoy spending time with my children. Very much so.

I also enjoy spending time doing adult things without them, be that a few hours in the evening once they are asleep, a whole day whilst they are with their father, or a weekend whilst they spend time with their grandparents.

You seem very judgemental about how other women spend their free time.

Do you have the ability to spend time socialising outside of the home if you wished to?

Calliopespa · 05/02/2024 12:37

Hobbitfeet32 · 05/02/2024 12:32

@Bridgetjoneski so to clarify then you don’t spend every minute of the day with your children. A bit like me then!

I don’t think it is about every minute being with them. I think she’s more focused on being the primary caregiver in terms of early educational and emotional input and guidance. And just enjoying them while they are young, and them having the benefit of your time to enjoy with you. Families often share talents and interests and it’s lovely to be able to embrace that fully. I don’t think it’s about a quota of hours.

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:39

Hobbitfeet32 · 05/02/2024 12:32

@Bridgetjoneski so to clarify then you don’t spend every minute of the day with your children. A bit like me then!

Yes when the kids are in school I am not there! Did you expect me to be sat at the back of their classroom 🙄
I may see them from time to time if I'm in the school for PTA business. I also volunteer to chaperone on school trips & I volunteer to listen to kids reading.

Does this count as impinging on their independence?!!

WithACatLikeTread · 05/02/2024 12:46

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:39

Yes when the kids are in school I am not there! Did you expect me to be sat at the back of their classroom 🙄
I may see them from time to time if I'm in the school for PTA business. I also volunteer to chaperone on school trips & I volunteer to listen to kids reading.

Does this count as impinging on their independence?!!

So not full time parenting then. 👌

blueshoes · 05/02/2024 12:49

CaribouCarafe · 05/02/2024 11:25

There's ways of putting your children first and foremost without necessarily going down the SAHM route. You implying that working outside the house is putting children on the back burner is what is getting people's backs up.

There's benefits to being a SAHM but there's also benefits from being a working mother for the child too: increased financial stability, gaining workplace skills that can be passed onto the child, networking for child's future career growth, and for some mothers working outside the house improves their mental health meaning they can be a better parent overall.

Being a working mum isn't for everyone, just as being a SAHM isn't for everyone. But I don't agree with the idea that SAHM care about their children's welfare more or that they prioritise their children more. Different systems work for different people.

Hear hear.

Working mums play the long game for their dcs. Some SAHMs think meeting the immediate care needs during early childhood means their dcs turn out better. Actually SAHMs can be meeting their own emotional needs (not being career minded and all that), dressed up as meeting their dcs' needs. Martyrdom.

Somehow, all this no longer applies once the dcs go to school.

Sad to say there is barely any difference in outcome if both families are engaged with their dc. Never heard that SAHMs don't have kids with mental health issues.

It is absolutely fine to do whatever suits your family and your needs. This idea that working parents are not prioritising their dcs is quite deluded. If anything, trying to juggle work and a family means the really 'mummy martyrs' are working parents, except they just get on with it and don't crow about their superior parenting choices and sacrifices.

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:49

I said up thread now the kids are in school I am a sahm but once the holidays kick I'm back to being a full time mom😊

blueshoes · 05/02/2024 12:54

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:49

I said up thread now the kids are in school I am a sahm but once the holidays kick I'm back to being a full time mom😊

I don't think your splitting hairs terminology is going to catch on.

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:56

@blueshoes it's what works for me simply. Parents are perfectly entitled to describe their role in whatever way they see fit in relation to their level of parenting /caregiving.

blueshoes · 05/02/2024 12:58

@Bridgetjoneski okies. knock yourself out

HebeMumsnet · 05/02/2024 13:09

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Tittyfilarious81 · 05/02/2024 13:15

Bumpitybumper · 05/02/2024 12:00

I think it's such an emotive subject that people feel triggered by phrasing and language to the point where it becomes very difficult to describe anything without offending people.

There simply has to be a way that describes someone that spends their 'working' hours looking after their own children. SAHM is probably the most well known term but obviously a lot of SAHMs would say they spend most of the day out and about so it doesn't really make sense as a term for them. Full Time Mum fits because of other people can describe themselves as a FT doctor or FT teacher then everyone understands that this description doesn't describe the entirety of a person but more how they allocate their 'working' hours. The problem is that working mums then claim that it implies that they are somehow not fulfilling their role as mother during their working hours which is obviously nonsense. Unemployed is inaccurate for lots of reasons explained already on this thread. So what's left?

Personally I feel that the emotion comes from SAHMs not wanting to be diminished and WOHMs being resistant to acknowledging the extra care giving and ultimately parenting that SAHMs do as they think it implies that they are lesser parents. Until we can get past these emotional triggers then offense will continue to be found in all terminology that anyone tries to use.

I agree , and it's a shame that mum's can't all just accept that we all do things differently and do what's best for our own family , there's always conflict with these threads .

JanewaysBun · 05/02/2024 13:27

I just say "stay at home mum", Ive worked FT and PT over the years. Ill hopefully go back one day when last DC at school.

ElaineMBenes · 05/02/2024 14:12

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:49

I said up thread now the kids are in school I am a sahm but once the holidays kick I'm back to being a full time mom😊

Erm I'm a full time mum.
That doesn't mean being with them 24/7.

spandauballroom · 05/02/2024 14:17

Holy shit balls
Started this thread yday and then went offline wasnt expecting such a bun fight
I was asking as have always worked, p/t and so I have only ever been (job title) or (on mat leave)
Have been suffering a lot from mental overload and thinking about dropping almost all my hours to focus on kids for a bit while I regroup, and just wondering how that works when someone asks, what answers people give...
haven't had MNHQ comment on one of my threads like this in ages

OP posts:
lioneggs · 05/02/2024 14:31

gersatre · 04/02/2024 20:20

I say that I'm looking after my children. The sahm term doesn't work for us as we're out of the house 6 hours a day doing activities.

Yeah I hate the phase SAHP because we're never in the house!

lioneggs · 05/02/2024 14:31

Phrase

34weekmess · 05/02/2024 14:45

spandauballroom · 05/02/2024 14:17

Holy shit balls
Started this thread yday and then went offline wasnt expecting such a bun fight
I was asking as have always worked, p/t and so I have only ever been (job title) or (on mat leave)
Have been suffering a lot from mental overload and thinking about dropping almost all my hours to focus on kids for a bit while I regroup, and just wondering how that works when someone asks, what answers people give...
haven't had MNHQ comment on one of my threads like this in ages

I think just tell them what you like, there shouldn't have to be an element of shame or embarrassment.
This thread goes to show some people can really look down their noses at sahp.
I am a sahp and one friend used to ask what I did all day, I cheerfully said fuck all 😆

SouthLondonMum22 · 05/02/2024 15:25

Bridgetjoneski · 05/02/2024 12:07

I know of one or two mums who work full time who often boast "child free dinner with dh", "kid free weekend away" etc... It really irks me! Like really what was the point in having kids! These women work 40 hours plus, kids in childcare.. These mindless "childfree" social media captions really do annoy me, it also makes the mums seem entirely incapable!

Why do you only judge the mums and not the dads who are also enjoying the child free dinner etc?

CaribouCarafe · 05/02/2024 15:34

Worry not, @SouthLondonMum22 she's got a whole other thread about the topic where you can catch up on her opinions...

SouthLondonMum22 · 05/02/2024 15:35

CaribouCarafe · 05/02/2024 15:34

Worry not, @SouthLondonMum22 she's got a whole other thread about the topic where you can catch up on her opinions...

I've just seen it.

Wow.

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