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The Epstein list has been released

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KenAdams · 04/01/2024 00:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67865190

Complex set of documents though. Even if you can get on the site it's not easy to digest, so we watch this space I suppose.

U.S. financier Jeffrey Epstein appears in a photograph taken for the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services' sex offender registry March 28, 2017

Jeffrey Epstein: US court releases list of people connected to financier

The disgraced millionaire mixed with figures from the worlds of politics, business and royalty.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67865190

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Needanewnamebeingwatched · 04/01/2024 07:55

All these men having sex, raping, these young girls.

And only one prison sentence, of a female, men really hate women don't they....

They will all get away with it, all of them!!!

Roussette · 04/01/2024 07:56

This isn't the definitive list... so far it's 950 pages and there is more to come.

Some of the names that have been redacted were children who were abused and they of course are entitled to anonymity.

Frazzled83 · 04/01/2024 07:57

Livelovebehappy · 04/01/2024 01:34

It’s sickening that Maxwell, whilst rightly convicted, is the only person to be punished. The rich and powerful men get away with it. Again.

I completely agree. I’m not condoning what she did but her father was famously a powerful and abusive narcissist and then she went on to the relationship with Epstein. And all the old white dudes get away with it 😡

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/01/2024 07:59

Over40Overdating · 04/01/2024 02:28

@Marie2023 is there any detail of the argument given as to what harm would be caused? If they did nothing more than fall for the schmoozing of a rich sociopathic criminal then the only harm is to their ego and social reputation : hardly life or death in the ME, surely?

Especially as they will, by definition, be phenomenally wealthy and influential - Epstein didn't waste time on any other type.

As far as I am aware he didn't provide boys for abuse, only girls, so they couldn't even have breached any Islamic homosexuality laws.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/01/2024 08:00

Roussette · 04/01/2024 07:56

This isn't the definitive list... so far it's 950 pages and there is more to come.

Some of the names that have been redacted were children who were abused and they of course are entitled to anonymity.

Agree that victims need to be protected - especially as a lot of these powerful men will still be in a position to threaten them.

GrazingSheep · 04/01/2024 08:01

@MrsRobinsonsHandprints

The Miami Herald which did a lot of investigative reporting on Epstein, went to court in 2018 seeking the release of court documents relating to cases against Epstein. It took 5 years.

Angrycat2768 · 04/01/2024 08:08

Frazzled83 · 04/01/2024 07:57

I completely agree. I’m not condoning what she did but her father was famously a powerful and abusive narcissist and then she went on to the relationship with Epstein. And all the old white dudes get away with it 😡

It is disgraceful. Ghislaine is surely a perpetrator, and Andrew is so unbelievably stupid, arrogant, and entitled he was probably the only one dumb enough to be set up by his ' friends' probably for blackmail purposes. Epstein wouldn't have lent Fergie all that money for nothing. It's just that it's all gone pear-shaped for Epstein and Maxwell before they could use their photos of him for their own benefit. The others probably knew how to cover their tracks more, not have photos taken, etc.

prh47bridge · 04/01/2024 08:08

diddl · 04/01/2024 07:32

Prince Andrew had his hand put on an underage girl's breast by Maxwell.

And didn't immediately cut all contact with her/them?

The girl involved (ohanna Sjoberg) was not underage. She was 20 at the time of the alleged encounter, which Andrew denies. She also claims that she and Virginia Giuffre accompanied Epstein on a visit to Balmoral in mid-1999. However, Giuffre's evidence is that she did not meet Epstein until summer 2000.

By the way, her claim is not that Maxwell put Andrew's hand on her breast. Her claim is that Andrew took a Spitting Image puppet of himself and placed its hand on her breast.

Roussette · 04/01/2024 08:09

Some famous names are in the docs once or twice ... Prince Andrew's name is mentioned 60 times, so far, in what has been released

I wonder if the Hello front page of Charlotte (disgusting) plus an exclusive report all about her... is meant to divert us from her seedy relation.

Lwrenagain · 04/01/2024 08:12

MNetters really are my people. I say this loads and people assume I'm minimising maxwell, am I fuck?! She deserves her punishment and she has no pity from me she's imprisoned.
But the fact its only her being punished when as PP pointed out, it was old white dudes abusing these children, these little girls, just makes me fucking sick.

Not saying I want Maxwell free, I'm saying I want to see the men who sexually abused young girls punished also. I'm so glad you also get it my friends x

prh47bridge · 04/01/2024 08:12

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/01/2024 07:50

Indeed.

For something as serious as this NOT A SINGLE NAME should be redacted.

You think that the names of child victims should not be redacted?

Roussette · 04/01/2024 08:13

By the way, her claim is not that Maxwell put Andrew's hand on her breast. Her claim is that Andrew took a Spitting Image puppet of himself and placed its hand on her breast

??

No. Not according to what is reported. It was his hand not the puppet's hand.

Even the BBC reports PA groped her breast.

Not sure where you got that from

prh47bridge · 04/01/2024 08:15

Roussette · 04/01/2024 08:13

By the way, her claim is not that Maxwell put Andrew's hand on her breast. Her claim is that Andrew took a Spitting Image puppet of himself and placed its hand on her breast

??

No. Not according to what is reported. It was his hand not the puppet's hand.

Even the BBC reports PA groped her breast.

Not sure where you got that from

If you look at a Spitting Image puppet, his hand would have been in the puppet's hand. That is what she claims. Yes, she alleges that he groped her breast with his hand in the hand of his Spitting Image puppet. Apologies if that wasn't clear from my post.

Lwrenagain · 04/01/2024 08:22

PA is someone who I've seen described as "educated beyond intelligence" and I've never heard that before but its true. For all the money spent trying to educate him, he is just a stupid little man who is renowned for not just his sexual interest in young girls, but the Teddy bear thing. Creepy twat isn't he? Just one creepy, sweaty, thick gobshite.

Sorry I'm just flinging myself in here 🙈

Ramalangadingdong · 04/01/2024 08:22

Exactly. I remember a young girl who lost her career before it had even started and her family was financially ruined for a remark/belief. She held. I didn’t agree with her but it is hard to see that happen to a young person while the old criminals get away with anything.

Charlize43 · 04/01/2024 08:25

My head is still spinning over Prince Andrew paying millions of ££££££s to a woman he claims 'never to have met.'

Prince Andrew has never met me. Do you think he might give me some money to pay my gas bill?

Outwiththenorm · 04/01/2024 08:27

diddl · 04/01/2024 07:32

Prince Andrew had his hand put on an underage girl's breast by Maxwell.

And didn't immediately cut all contact with her/them?

It actually says that a puppet (🤢) of Prince Andrew’s hand was put on a girl’s breast by someone, so then he put his own hand on another girl’s breast.

Britpop123 · 04/01/2024 08:33

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/01/2024 07:50

Indeed.

For something as serious as this NOT A SINGLE NAME should be redacted.

Not even victims?

Over40Overdating · 04/01/2024 08:38

The Prince Andrew thing gets weirder and weirder. Is the groping claim from another victim or the woman he settled with? And a Spitting Image puppet?!

Epstein seemed to have been especially proud of hooking Andrew as a ‘mate’ and made a bigger deal of him & ensured there are pics etc as proof. Whether this was for bragging rights or blackmail insurance, who knows, but that vain pompous idiot soaked up the attention and flattery and allowed himself / royal residences to be photographed and inextricably linked to Epstein.

From the new info it would seem the lawyer, Dershowitz, was much more prolific in his abuse of the women, and I imagine there are others who were similarly prolific yet there seems to be less clear evidence (so far) beyond victim testimony to tie them to their crimes.

Whether they all knew the women were being forced to tend to their whims or not, the ‘sensible’ ones who weren’t flattered by Epstein’s attention would have not been posing for pics or loaning out their famous mummies houses for Epstein & Maxwell to take their own pics in, as paranoia and secrecy is what kept the whole thing going for so long. Honour among thieves.

Then along comes the pampered playboy prince who was too thick & privileged to have a shred of self protection & now no more of mummies money to save him.

tamade · 04/01/2024 08:38

As others have said above the really powerful won't appear on this list, they are probably the ones compiling it and populating it with with the odd juicy morsel like Prince Andrew, who (a) we all knew about and (b) despite being royalty is an inconsequential twit.

But here is my question; taking PA as an example or Bill "likes em young" Clinton. the things that seem to be coming out - chasing 16, 17, 18 year old girls is gross and despicable but not strictly illegal. These men wouldn't need help from shady financiers, secret networks and private islands to groom and abuse teenage girls in the ways I have heard described. So what was also going on that did require such power money and secrecy?

Angrycat2768 · 04/01/2024 08:40

Lwrenagain · 04/01/2024 08:22

PA is someone who I've seen described as "educated beyond intelligence" and I've never heard that before but its true. For all the money spent trying to educate him, he is just a stupid little man who is renowned for not just his sexual interest in young girls, but the Teddy bear thing. Creepy twat isn't he? Just one creepy, sweaty, thick gobshite.

Sorry I'm just flinging myself in here 🙈

The maids in charge of his room.apparently, were all given a laminated sheet telling them where to place the teddies. I doubt it was the senior ( male) courtiers bejng told to do it either just a lowly female chambermaid.If that is not a perverted little power trip, I don't know what is. It must also have been signed off by those higher up. Courtiers or his mother. Who would tolerate their staff being ordered to indulge a middle aged man's fantasies to that extent?

diddl · 04/01/2024 08:51

Pa, teddies, laminated placement map-what???

Roussette · 04/01/2024 08:57

chasing 16, 17, 18 year old girls is gross and despicable but not strictly illegal

Yes it is. This is a myth that has been common on these threads for years. Firstly different states have different legal ages but more importantly it is illegal to have sex with sex trafficked vulnerable girls.

prh47bridge · 04/01/2024 08:58

Outwiththenorm · 04/01/2024 08:27

It actually says that a puppet (🤢) of Prince Andrew’s hand was put on a girl’s breast by someone, so then he put his own hand on another girl’s breast.

No. There was only one girl - Johanna Sjoberg. She was not underage. Her claim is that Andrew put the hand of his Spitting Image puppet on her breast and groped her. The hand of a Spitting Image puppet is a glove that fits over the operator's hand.

LoobyDop · 04/01/2024 08:58

There are some US states where the age of consent is higher than 16.

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