The Epstein list has been released

[KenAdams]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67865190

Complex set of documents though. Even if you can get on the site it's not easy to digest, so we watch this space I suppose.

Apparently Prince Andrew has a lot of teddy bears that he is very particular about. And staff have to put them back exactly where they go, as per a diagram.

I am often reminded of a holiday I spent in Balmoral (you can just rent cottages there when the royals aren't home). We did an activity with a staff member who kept us entertained with funny stpries about the royals. Almost all were just daft little things like Prince Philip liking to BBQ and stuff like that. Anne often enjoying a good swear. Nothing controversial, nothing derogatory.

Except Andrew - and all that staff member would say is that 'no one here has any time or respect for him at all'.

This was before the Epstein stuff but it always struck me as a strong statement coming from someone who otherwise had a strong affection for the royals that you might expect from someone who's lifelong job had been closely linked to the family and their lives. And who was 'on the clock' when they said it.

Putting aside the fact that laws about sex with trafficked girls, both in the UK and the US, are more recent than these alleged incidents, this is not what the law says in the UK. It is an offence to pay or offer to pay for sex with a trafficked girl. It is not an offence to have consensual sex with a trafficked girl. If she is being unlawfully detained there is a presumption that she did not consent, but this a rebuttable presumption, which means that it can be overturned if the defendant has enough evidence that she did consent.

PA may be a royal, and teddy bear obsessed wanker, but in the grand scheme of things, he is a nobody.

While there is lots of talk of how the press might deflect attention from him, ultimately, concentrating on his involvement with Epstein deflects from the other, truly powerful people who may have been manipulated by him (Epstein, that is).

@Roussette My point is that dirty old men especially rich and famous ones you don't need to traffic girls for meat and two veg sex.

And to me it suggests they were engaged in much more sinister behavior.

Yes I'm not entirely sure how Epstein made so much money enough for him to be able to ' loan' money to Fergie, own so many properties and an island, as well as being able to get away with so much. I suspect the way he made that money was not just through allowing his rich mates to sleep with young girls he procured for them.

Stephen Hawking shocked me the most

It is not an offence to have consensual sex with a trafficked girl.

It depends what you call consensual sex doesn't it

'A lot of Teddy bears' meaning over 70! And he would have a tantrum if they weren't put out properly!

This sounds more likely than ' Middle Eastern governments object to men having sex with young girls'

Read it in the times in this morning. Not really anything in it we didn't know already.

"Stephen Hawking shocked me the most"

@MumTeacherofMany Yes, me too.

This 💯

I think the real answer to this question is And???

Same.

I'm just shocked that all this is pretty much out in the open. It's likely that no one will be convicted of anything and they'll all go about their business as usual.

Will there be any repercussions at all?

Oh yes I forgot about that bit.

Then along comes the pampered playboy prince who was too thick & privileged to have a shred of self protection & now no more of mummies money to save him

But sadly, instead of mummy's money, he now has his brother allowing him and his ex-wife to be front stage on the Xmas walk to church. Bad move, Charlie boy

How on earth has only one person been punished for this whole sordid racket. And a woman at that. Ghislaine Maxwell seems to have taken the rap for them all.

I can not believe people still defending Prince Andrew.
He blatantly lied in the TV interview where he explained why he was not guilty of what he was accused of. And then he gave his accuser millions of pounds to make her drop her court case.
Seriously how can you defend him?

Why are people shocked by Stephen Hawking? Because he was intelligent? Because he was disabled? Doesn't stop somebody being unpleasant. It's just men really isn't it

I think we all know the answer to that one. Men in power very rarely face the consequences regardless of how deplorable they behaviour is. They’re all connected to the big media moguls. It will all be brushed under the carpet or a new story will appear to detract from any noise.

Quite, @Jacfrost - being a brilliant physicist doesn't necessarily make you a decent human being.
Anyway, he was on Epstein's Island, but I think that's all that's been proven.

None of them will be prosecuted. Not one.