The Epstein list has been released

[KenAdams]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67865190

Complex set of documents though. Even if you can get on the site it's not easy to digest, so we watch this space I suppose.

That's not what the BBC article says. "Some of those named are accused of wrongdoing, while others on the list are making allegations or are potential witnesses." Bit rich of you to insult others.

@alltootired perhaps have a read of the BBC headline handily supplied in the opening post.

The words ‘list of people connected to’ feature heavily.

It's a developing story with over 940 pages. I DOUBT anyone has read all of these. Initial report from BBC
Epstein? said Bill liked them young (not surprised)
Bill Clinton got a massage (we know that already)
One of the victims say Trump didn't engage in or wasn't there (another victim might have different testimony)
In my dreams, all those that abused thr women and girls get prosecuted and loose their power and livelihoods. In reality nothing is likely to happen (wouldn't it have happened already). Its shocking how many accusations Bill C ignores and gets away with. Trump has a conviction (unrelated to Epstein) but no real consequence. Yet a minor influencer can say something on Twitter and lose their income. A 30+ year old can be hounded for a stupid comment they made when they were 16 or 19. Our priorities people!

I’ve read the whole list. Those whose names have been withheld live in the Middle East and are arguing that the release of their names might cause them harm.

@Marie2023 is there any detail of the argument given as to what harm would be caused? If they did nothing more than fall for the schmoozing of a rich sociopathic criminal then the only harm is to their ego and social reputation : hardly life or death in the ME, surely?

It seems the only person punished so far, and likely to be punished, is Ghislaine. And while I have zero sympathy for her, it’s entirely unsurprising that the only person to be prosecuted for men engaging in sexual abuse of minors is a woman.

@Over40Overdating I am not sure so would only be speculating. It could be something to do with homosexuality laws in their country. Again, just speculation.

It will be all of the Usual Suspects of course. We all know.

Sadly that’s so true.
Everyone will forgot about it in a few weeks anyway.
Same as non celebrity sex offenders. There’s rarely a suitable punishment.

I think Epstein was obsessed (not only with abusing young girls) with famous people. I read somewhere once that he considered Prince Andrew one of his best catches.
His address book was filled with famous names and phone numbers - that doesn’t mean he necessarily “knew” them.
He ruined many lives - mostly the lives of innocent girls. And whether they’re politicians, business titans, US or UK or of any other nationality, I truly hope that every other perpetrator burns.

Exactly what I think @MediumWell

Lots of speculation online that this is what the whole fergie walking from the church with the family was about....starting to distract the public with alternative stories....and speculation that a negative Harry & Meghan story will be floated soon to draw the fire.

I thought those big names were common knowledge.

I think he was obsessed with getting big names into his circle as a smoke screen. All the usual on the list but I was surprised at Michael Jackson and David Copperfield.

I thought Andrew and Sarah Ferguson being at Sandringham was a big mistake by Charles. It was a bit of an up yours I felt.
As for Clinton when is his wife going to get her head out of the sand?

You were surprised by Michael Jackson? I would have been more surprised had he not been on the list.

The article has been edited but originally it said something like "other names have remained sealed INCLUDING the victims". Can't see that sentence now though.

It's hard to imagine any new Meghan and Harry stories left to float. Certain newspapers post one nearly every day!

Why now? A lot of this is from 2016, and obviously lots of those in power have known for years.
Why is it being released now, who will benefit?

Because I don't believe it is being released for the benefit of those poor girls.

Exactly. And why were none of them ever prosecuted in the first place?

I still can’t understand why Prince Andrew has been so protected through all of this. Makes me sick.

No, it is not. The list includes people making allegations and potential witnesses. Many of those on the list are not accused of any illegality.

Prince Andrew had his hand put on an underage girl's breast by Maxwell.

And didn't immediately cut all contact with her/them?

Operation Yewtree led to the convictions of Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris, Max Clifford, Dave Lee Travis, Chris Denning and a couple of other less well-known individuals.

Indeed.

For something as serious as this NOT A SINGLE NAME should be redacted.

Surprised cos I haven't personally seen his name linked before but I don't have twitter or take much notice. And I thought Jackson preferred the company of boys.