If you're not voting Labour because of Palestine or gender nonsense ...

[CheesyJacketPotato]

Are you really ok with having another Tory government? Because in all honesty that is what you'll get.

I agree OP. But the vocal minority on here are so bloody blinkered with their GC views they genuinely seem to believe that the Tories are the party of women 😂 or they’ll vote for whichever ridiculous single issue protest party gets set up first. It’s insanity and defies logic but there we go.

Well for the past year or so I've been saying I won't vote Labour as am particularly disappointed in Starmer - he really is useless.

But I suppose am going to have to - have no other choice really.

Given it was the Tories who brought the trans shitshow upon us, people who claim to be voting for them because they know what a woman is🙄 are either uninformed or being disingenuous.

I think that it is a very vocal minority which seems amplified on MN. I support their stance but think overall it will make little difference to how people vote. I do not hear on the news people saying Starmer is unlikely to be the next PM because he 'doesn't know what a woman is'. Views on Palestine are different and may influence some traditional Labour voters (who I cannot see suddenly voting Tory) but in the end it will be policies close to home that influence how people vote.

No I'm not OK with it; and I blame an ideologically captured Labour Party who's only job was to represent Labour voters and be an effective opposition.

You seem to be assuming that we will vote Tory. I won't be doing that. But I absolutely will not vote for a party that works against my interests as a woman.
Women literally died for us to get the vote - do you have any idea how it feels for me to know that my only option is to spoil my ballot?
Labour should fucking be ashamed of themselves with the way they are happy to throw women under the bus. I am utterly furious with them and the Greens. I am politically homeless.

I would traditionally vote Labour, but won’t be doing so because of its entrenched misogyny and antisemitism. I can’t in all conscience make a positive vote for any of that, it’s just far too abhorrent. There have to be some standards, for goodness sake.

If that means more Tory government that’s not something I relish. In fact it’s something of a tragedy. But this is something for the Labour Party to get its house in order over. It’s not on me to vote for a party that’s morally bankrupt, against my own best interests.

Choice is between a shit sandwich and a turd sandwich.

No, not really. But I wouldn't vote Labour if you paid me.

I strongly suspect we'll end up with a Labour government but I will not have any part in electing them.

I will probably vote for Labour, because I don't want more of this venal bunch of talentless, corrupt vandals. But I boggle at anyone who dismisses women's rights as "a ridiculous single issue". It's everything.

Agreed. It’s everything if you’re a woman. And it should be a major issue if you’re male. If you’re a decent person, you support equality.

The fact that people are telling women to overlook the rampant misogyny as if it’s of little consequence speaks volumes and reflects the misogynistic attitudes driving the Labour approach.

Perhaps - instead of castigating women for not wanting to erase their own rights or for not being able to overlook the slaughter of thousands of children - you should direct your frustrations at the party which is happy to condone these things?

The Tories won’t win the next election but, if they do, it would be entirely Labour’s fault as the election is their’s to lose.

The current Labour Party are Tories with a different colour rosette.

They may throw a few more economic crumbs from the table but they are there to serve themselves and devoid of ideas and intention to make our society equitable 😞

It’s a shitshow, a faux democracy ‘choice’

It’s not that easy @CheesyJacketPotato My feminist beliefs and activism are central to my political affiliations. But the Tories are destroying this country and I live in a marginal Labour seat, so I will be holding my nose against Labour’s left-wing anti-Semitism and misogyny (funny how those align) and voting Labour. With clenched teeth.

I think there are quite a few Mumsnet posters who are naturally Tory voters, so the 'at least they know what a woman is' line is a convenient way to justify how they intended vote in any case. It is nonsense, as the Tories have brought in all the policies the GC posters are up in arms about, but cognitive dissonance is not unusual in voting choices.

I can't condone another term of the tories. The country is so so awful at the moment for almost everyone but mostly those with the least power to do anything about it. I can't give my vote away, but I hate the Labour Party as they are now. I despise them.

It's scandalous that there is no option to vote for protecting the rights and best interests of 51% of the population. I am deeply ashamed and disappointed and have no idea how I'll vote. I live in a traditional Tory safe seat but nearby, a blue seat turned yellow relatively recently. We don't tend to get seriously viable candidates going up against our MP as it's the colour rather than the candidate many votes for.

I suspect that is the attitude driving the Labour Party’s reluctance to properly address this issue. If you can dismiss dissenters as closet Tories who would never actually vote Labour anyway, you don’t have to do anything - you get to feel superior and righteous, while not pausing to examine where you might be going wrong or tackling the difficult work to change it.

This happens across Labour on other issues too, as far as I can see, and is a big factor as to why they often throw elections that were theirs for the taking, if only they used their noddle and thought a bit more strategically and a bit less emotionally.

Honestly gob smacked that this needs pointing out but the OP is not assuming everyone will vote Tory. They're saying if you DON'T vote Labour your will GET a Tory government. That's the nature of first past the post.

You are not wrong. There's very little Keir Starmer could do about either of those things anyway.

I'm more okay with another Tory government than I am with the erasure of women, women's existence, women's status and women's protections.

I will be voting Labour, and I would like to see Starmer have a go at being PM.
I wouldn't condemn him on one policy alone. I believe he said that 99% of women do not have a penis, which is factually correct.

Yes. Hth. This js a democracy and no one has to justify themselves to a cheesyjacketpotato.

It's none of your business who or why people vote the way they do just so you can get what you want

If you're not voting Labour because of Palestine or gender nonsense

I'm not sure that it's a good look voting for Palestinian genocide and erasure of womens/girls rights just to get Labour in though 🤔

I think voting Labour over the Tories is like choosing gonorrhoea over HIV. Neither are remotely appealing but one is worse than the other.