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If you're not voting Labour because of Palestine or gender nonsense ...

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CheesyJacketPotato · 18/11/2023 12:12

Are you really ok with having another Tory government? Because in all honesty that is what you'll get.

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Dineasair · 03/05/2024 10:44

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 10:25

I disagree with pp, this is fine and I’ve certainly seen much worse in the other direction

Thank you.

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 10:55

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 10:01

Scotland / Greens as in pp it’s caused major issues again

Political harm which politicians will be wary of

Linking to YouGov or whatever is nothing compared to the cautionary tale of Scottish politics, they got a warning with Isla Bryson and again with reactions to the Cass report

They didn’t half. The Scottish people aren’t on board with the gender woo, the more they push it the more they put peoples backs up, the SNP are on course to lose seats, and I don’t think that Labour will benefit from that as much as they think they will.

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 10:56

Thankfully looking at the local and PCC elections, the voters are rejecting the Tories.

As important as single issues are, the overall direction the Tories want to (and have) taken us is wrong and is very damaging to female rights.

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 10:59

BIossomtoes · 03/05/2024 10:23

Fucking hell, that’s so rude. You’ve made an excellent job of proving @jasflowers’ point. Well done.

I’ve seen far worse directed at women on these boards by Labour supporters, and that stays up. I didn’t actually use the word fucking as you have. I would say that’s far more aggressive than my comment was.

Typical!

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 11:05

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 10:59

I’ve seen far worse directed at women on these boards by Labour supporters, and that stays up. I didn’t actually use the word fucking as you have. I would say that’s far more aggressive than my comment was.

Typical!

I'll be honest, what you wrote to me was pretty bad, you also took the piss out of people who genuinely do struggle with day to day life.

You also used FFS to me in a recent comment, so a bit rich complaining about someone using Fucking, when you do too.

Always helps to make your points firmly but politely.

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 11:10

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 10:39

@Dineasair keep posting the pp gets riled up but just ignore 🙌

The boards are being monitored in a very partisan way and I’ve noticed that messages are being denied also. It’s not a very good or democratic look mumsnet. Keep going @EasternStandard your doing well 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 11:11

Blimey at all this.

Bizarre.

Jux · 03/05/2024 11:54

Toohardtofindaproperusername
We get a tory party in EVERYTHING but name whichever way. Its what the last 8 years have been about. The tories are inside the labour party.

This is what I said about Blair when he was Prince in Waiting. It was true then, but his Tories In Disguise parliament wasn't quite as bad as Starmer's.

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 12:20

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 11:05

I'll be honest, what you wrote to me was pretty bad, you also took the piss out of people who genuinely do struggle with day to day life.

You also used FFS to me in a recent comment, so a bit rich complaining about someone using Fucking, when you do too.

Always helps to make your points firmly but politely.

My post was pretty mild compared to posts I’ve seen by people trying to change the perception of the Labour Party on these boards, and my ffs was not nearly as aggressive as the way in which the word fucking was used to me, nuance is a thing.

Continually claiming unjustified victimhood also takes the piss out of people who are genuinely bullied and are struggling with real threats of harm, like Rosie Duffield who couldn’t go to her own party’s conference because of real and genuine concern for her physical safety.

Women experienced real bullying in Glasgow recently when a peaceful woman’s rights demonstration was kettled by masked male trans activists screaming in their faces and threatening them with actual physical harm. I was unwell and couldn’t go but friends of mine did and they genuinely feared that they might actually lose their lives, but every time that happens this ideology is revealed for what it is and more people are peaked.

Kellie J Keen was almost killed during a peaceful Let Women Speak rally in New Zealand, but the actions of that malevolent mob of aggressive, mainly men, brought a focus on the issue of women’s rights and safety and created a huge backlash that is still reverberating around the world today. They keep spouting that the violence is coming from both sides, it’s really not, it’s mainly men, often masked and dressed up as ninjas, screaming in women’s faces and threatening to rape, beat, and murder us. They hold up signs saying “punch a TERF”, and “ Decapitate Terfs” . Trans women have been convicted of assaulting women at these rallies, like the woman in her seventies whose eye socket was broken when a man in his thirties punched her in the face for daring to attend Kellie Js rally. There is no “kindness” coming our way and yet the aggressive demand is that we are kind to people who wish us great harm. I am aware that many trans people are not like that, but many of their supporters are, yet they don’t condemn them, where are all the “not in our name” rally’s?

I know that nowadays the mantra is that “words are violence” to such an extent that just asking someone a reasonable and perfectly legal question is considered violence and bullying, but it’s really not.
In throwing the term bullying around so lightly it totally loses the real meaning of the word, and that is dangerous for everyone.

Until Labour desist in their support for this authoritarian belief system that so aggressively trashes the rights of females, and both creates and supports anti democratic laws in support of it, then I won’t be voting for them, and no amount of gaslighting and what aboutery is going to persuade me.

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 12:55

@Dineasair
You ve very much changed your tune! reading your last post and the one directed to me but then deleted by MN!!

Can understand you having a go back at someone who did similar to you BUT i didn't, you mistook me for someone else.

People screaming hatred and threats at anyone should be arrested and possibly jailed, no question about that.

As i said, Rosie Duffield has stayed in the Labour party & you re being slightly disingenuous about her:

Duffield, the MP for Canterbury, has a record of expressing gender-critical views. She used an interview with the Sunday Times to say the row about her stance – in which she has been fiercely criticised by trans activists and abused online – had left her exhausted and at times frightened

But she said she “mainly took the decision [not to attend conference] not because I really thought I was going to be attacked, but because I did not want to be the centre of attention”

Not right that she was at all made to feel frightened, no one should but its also a long way from your claim though.

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 14:16

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 12:55

@Dineasair
You ve very much changed your tune! reading your last post and the one directed to me but then deleted by MN!!

Can understand you having a go back at someone who did similar to you BUT i didn't, you mistook me for someone else.

People screaming hatred and threats at anyone should be arrested and possibly jailed, no question about that.

As i said, Rosie Duffield has stayed in the Labour party & you re being slightly disingenuous about her:

Duffield, the MP for Canterbury, has a record of expressing gender-critical views. She used an interview with the Sunday Times to say the row about her stance – in which she has been fiercely criticised by trans activists and abused online – had left her exhausted and at times frightened

But she said she “mainly took the decision [not to attend conference] not because I really thought I was going to be attacked, but because I did not want to be the centre of attention”

Not right that she was at all made to feel frightened, no one should but its also a long way from your claim though.

If that is the case then I apologise, I may have annoyed you, but I certainly did not bully you. How have I changed my tune? You claimed to be bullied and I pointed out that by saying that I was bullying you and claiming victim status you are trivialising the nature of bullying and reducing the experience of people who are dealing with actual and very serious bullying.

Rosie Duffield was in fact warned by the police that they took the claims very seriously and they advised her not to attend the conference for her own safety. She was afraid, as any of us would be when faced with threats like that. The decision to deny Labour Woman a stand at the party conference shows that they are afraid that they would get the same bullying and that it wouldn’t look good. People pushing you, kettling you, screaming into your face and threatening your safety IS an attack by the way.

I very much doubt that MN would have taken that post down unless it was reported and to imply otherwise is simply disingenuous. I could have reported any number of far worse posts that really have bordered on harassment, but I didn’t. In reporting posts and having them deleted there is an opportunity for pearl clutching outrage with the post removed so that others can’t check back to see if the outrage is justified, it’s a strategy that I’ve noticed often.

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 15:51

Apology accepted.

No you didn't annoy or bully me, how could you, over a voluntary forum? no, if i felt that way, i could NC, hide thread and vanish!!

imho you attempted tried to do that BUT if i misunderstood you, then i also apologise.

I'm only quoting what RD herself said in an interview, i don't know what the Police said, i didn't know they were involved, its a shocking state of affairs.

I do however, admire her for staying with Labour, she must have faith in them, surely you can see that.

Ime posts that are down right rude, are usually reported by somebody and MN deletes them, the forum is a supposed to be a supportive place for parents or so i read! lol!

Hope you have a lovely BH weekend!

Otterly2 · 03/05/2024 16:51

BIossomtoes · 03/05/2024 09:46

Surely that tells you something, doesn’t it? So important it didn’t even make the list.

Who complies the list? It is fixed and people have to choose from a set list or topics. So it's utter crap as a poll.

Otterly2 · 03/05/2024 16:52

BIossomtoes · 03/05/2024 09:36

No, not in my opinion. Show me the polling that indicates it’s a key issue to significant numbers of voters.

Show me where anyone has bothered to ask?

Otterly2 · 03/05/2024 17:00

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 09:49

I don't think Truss has ever been supportive of gender ideology though. Theresa May was the one who was all about 'be kind'

Oh Truss most certain was/is.

she was the minister who responded to the 2020 consultation and used the phrase "be Kind" and nothing wrong with that at all, what would you have done?

Y0u can read all about how the Tories have "seen the light" here

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5802/cmselect/cmwomeq/129/report.html#:~:text=The%20GRA%20is%20an%20important,not%20be%20changing%20the%20legislation.

Not sure this says what you think it does?

Otterly2 · 03/05/2024 17:01

jasflowers · 03/05/2024 09:58

I'm see Rosie Duffield staying but Tories jumping ship.

I also do not see any mainstream politician "pushing" gender ideology at all, Starmer said a few days ago that TW need to out of female sport, which party allowed TW to compete in female sport in the first place???

However, as i said up thread, KS needs to be clearer on this.

Idiotic Starmer is telling women that some women have penises - that is 100% pushing gender ideology FFS. 🙄

Otterly2 · 03/05/2024 17:11

I do however, admire her for staying with Labour, she must have faith in them, surely you can see that

I don't at this point - I feel sad for her. She is heckled, abused, ignored and ostracised. She will never, ever make the impact on Labour policy that she hopes to. She is in an abusive relationship with a party of misogynists. Starmer even lies about his (non-existent) relationship with her.

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 19:53

Otterly2 · 03/05/2024 17:01

Idiotic Starmer is telling women that some women have penises - that is 100% pushing gender ideology FFS. 🙄

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Dineasair · 03/05/2024 19:54

Otterly2 · 03/05/2024 17:11

I do however, admire her for staying with Labour, she must have faith in them, surely you can see that

I don't at this point - I feel sad for her. She is heckled, abused, ignored and ostracised. She will never, ever make the impact on Labour policy that she hopes to. She is in an abusive relationship with a party of misogynists. Starmer even lies about his (non-existent) relationship with her.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Treelichen · 03/05/2024 20:18

We have a strong Lib Dem candidate so they will be getting my vote, as did the local Lib Dem councillor who got in yesterday.

Xenia · 03/05/2024 22:06

Most people vote on issues such as the economy (which is probably why labour hardly every wins). I support the Tory party (although not particularly this very very high spending, big state, very very high tax,socialist type tory party) and Labour will be worse.

BIossomtoes · 03/05/2024 22:39

Xenia · 03/05/2024 22:06

Most people vote on issues such as the economy (which is probably why labour hardly every wins). I support the Tory party (although not particularly this very very high spending, big state, very very high tax,socialist type tory party) and Labour will be worse.

Unlikely. We’re currently being taxed more heavily than at any time since 1945, it’s difficult to see how any party could be worse.

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