If you're not voting Labour because of Palestine or gender nonsense ...

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Are you really ok with having another Tory government? Because in all honesty that is what you'll get.

Do you still plan to spoil your vote if the Labour candidate is GC?

Well said!

I was just wondering what they said that gives you hope that they would be better over the next five years? I'm not sure the gains achieved by the loss of charitable status would go very far to achieve very much.

I've said quite clearly that it will be better simply because we will no longer be being governed by corrupt liars and charlatans. The principle of private schools obviously not being charities would be a good start even before you start working out what the financial implications might be. The feel-good factor generated by seeing Lee Anderson and a few other big names losing their seats will kick in on election night itself and see me through a good few months, don't worry about that. Of course, a lot of them are denying us that pleasure as they can see what's coming and have already announced they won't be standing. Spoilsports.

I'm under no illusions that Labour will magically transform the country in a few years, and I don't really see anyone claiming that. But I'm in no doubt that another 5 years of the Tories would see us sinking even lower and then it would be even more difficult for an incoming government.

I'm not voting Labour because they always come a poor 3rd in this constituency after the Lib-Dems. All they (& now the Greens) do is split the anti-Tory vote and let the Tories back in.

So, just feelings then? No tangible change on the ground for women's lives - just handing in your reality badge because the people decimating them are more, what, pleasant?

I don’t think anyone is telling anyone else to completely ignore the misogyny. Those who are saying vote Labour are saying hold your nose and vote, then we might get someone in office with a chance of listening to what voters want and actually doing it, I.e. democracy, instead of this shower of corrupt charlatans only interested in authoritarian, xenophobic policies, eroding parliamentary democracy and enriching themselves and their equally corrupt friends. If you spoil your ballot and the Tories get in you’re as equally responsible as someone who votes for the Tories. The FPTP system is shite but it’s what we’ve got and that means tactical voting is necessary if you want anything to get better. Besides which, the pro-LGBT people seem much more vocal towards politicians - why not write to your local Labour MP now or try a different one if gender issues really matter more than climate change, foreign policy, human rights and the NHS?

I'm not voting Tory or Labour because they neither of them have candidates in my constituency. I would never be able to vote Tory anyway because I'm a feminist and they've destroyed the lives and rights of women since they came to power.

And now they want to destroy the rights of every UK citizen.😱

Voting Labour isn't going to change anything substantive. We'll just have a different bunch of self-serving corrupt politicians in charge and things will continue going to shit as they are now.

I live in a very safe Labour seat and have always voted Labour before; I was even a party member. But no, I won't be voting Labour, I can't support the explicit misogyny of recent years. It won't make any difference, but that's my protest vote.

Clearly somebody who has never looked at the actual numbers.

The $64,000 question here is why don’t the Labour Party think that mental health services, children’s welfare, the NHS, the disabled, other public services annd the erosion of workers rights are important?

Why are they prepared to throw an election that’s theirs for the taking when they could be doing so much good if they got into power? Why jeopardise all you mention just to fuck women over?

Jesus, such luck. Can you imagine the collective sigh of relief?

200% agree.

You just have to grit your teeth , think of the bigger picture and think 'anything to get the Tories out'.

No, you just have to. Nobody else is compelled to take their lashes in the hope of jam tomorrow.

I won't vote for any party that would put disgusting, perverted men in my little girl's intimate spaces. Sue me.

Clearly have @Kendodd

So, just feelings then? No tangible change on the ground for women's lives - just handing in your reality badge because the people decimating them are more, what, pleasant?

If you really think Labour are just a bit more pleasant than the Tories then you really haven't been paying attention to what's going on and it certainly isn't what I said. Also, instead of hectoring me, why don't you set out what tangible improvements the Tories have made to women's lives over the las t13 years, and what further improvements will come about in the unlikely event that they get re-elected? Because I'm pretty sure the austerity measures and failure to give public sector pay increases to public sector workers in the NHS and education have disproportionately affected women.

Last year 55% of maternity units in England were deemed "unsafe"

Every week we seem to have another maternity scandal that results in the deaths of women and babies but despite this being recognised by Jeremy Hunt as long ago as 2017, he as chancellor is denying the money to fix it and it is money, money pays for training, staff, buildings, equipment and wages.

So this year we have 65% of maternity services are "unsafe"

But so long as Sunak just utters the words "i know what a woman is" some women will vote for his party.

Can only assume they ve had their kids.

I think it is really depressing. Whichever party you vote for certain sections of the electorate will be worse off whether that will be benefit claimants if the Tories get in or women and girls if Labour get in. I am sure there are also others but these are the two groups that immediately spring to mind.

I can't vote Tory but will wait to see the Labour manifesto before deciding to vote for them. I can't vote Lib Dem as I would have in the past as they are even worse on women's rights than Labour. I also still remember their time in coalition.

Th calibre of politicians in this country is so poor which is amply illustrated by the fact that Sunak could not find anyone in his party who he thought could be Foreign Secretary and resorted to bringing in a failed former prime minister who has some very dodgy business connections and didn't have the guts to deal with the mess he created over Brexit.

Labour has so much factional infighting that I imagine it may be very difficult for Kier Starmer as prime minister to get legislation passed.

I really despair for this country.

@Kendodd I'd have to think about it. As it is, the long sitting Labour MP isn't GC and from past experience lacks principles and a backbone and will go along with whatever the leadership say.
The fact that it's a very safe labour seat does make the decision to spoil my ballot easier - I'm genuinely not sure what I'd do.

I was talking about this to my adult son this morning. He is clever and politically aware and does not want a Tory government, but cannot understand how voting for a minority party because he does not agree with his sitting labour MP on trans issues is basically handing his vote to the Tories. So frustrating!

How many Tory MPs is it that have been accused of rape/sexual assaults?

I've always voted Labour but cannot abide Starmer's Labour party so will be voting Green.

I wish. I'm appalled that they implemented the bedroom tax. That they limited child benefits to two children - and the exponential rise in abortions which followed, masking -presumably - many women who terminated in a situation who wouldn't have done previously, I think the decimation of benefits in general and disability benefits in particular has been awful and the consequences of which have landed disproportionately on the shoulders of women. For a start.

Which of those things would Labour change? Because I think the answer is, none of them.

As I say, I'm not a fan of the Tories, I'm just not convinced it can't get worse under labour.

@mrscatwoman It always seems to be sex-related scandals when it comes to the Tories.