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Why won’t Egypt help the Gazans?

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antiterror · 13/10/2023 16:21

It seems the most if not the only logical solution, to set up refugee shelters in the Sinai peninsula?

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Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:18

@Heelenahandbasket
If you look at the Guardian Live feed of Hamas-Israeli War, right now, at the top of the page are 5-5 photos of the Egyptian aid convoy waiting on the Egyptian side of the Gaza-Egyptian border

What do you think they are waiting for given the need is so pressing?

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:21

fioritura · 15/10/2023 11:49

Ok you’re starting to get it - yes, Egypt controls the Rafah crossing. They could let aid in and US citizens out right now if they wanted to, however:

The US asked Egypt to open the crossing to let US citizens out.

Egypt said sure, but you need to negotiate with Israel first to ensure all aid going in won’t be bombed.

Israel said no, aid trucks will be bombed.

Egypt refuses to let the US citizens out because aid can’t get in.

US still negotiating with Israel to guarantee no bombing so that it’s citizens can cross through.

The only reason Isreal are a part of this conversation is because of the bomb threats.

Did you get all of disinformation from Hamas or did you make it up yourself?

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:26

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:18

@Heelenahandbasket
If you look at the Guardian Live feed of Hamas-Israeli War, right now, at the top of the page are 5-5 photos of the Egyptian aid convoy waiting on the Egyptian side of the Gaza-Egyptian border

What do you think they are waiting for given the need is so pressing?

Presumably because the relevant parties have not yet reached a deal to open the border- controlled by Egypt and Hamas. That is what is reported in the reliable media.

I certainly don’t assume that it’s because Israel will deliberately bomb them because (1) they have denied this, (2) they don’t do this and (3) there is no evidence that there is any benefit to them of doing this nor that they would do this other than Hamas propaganda

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:27

All but one photo trade-marked to Reuters/Getty images so of respectable provenance for you

It looks like the M20 when there's problems at Dover customs except no-one dies when that happens

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:31

fioritura · 15/10/2023 11:51

They’re not US hostages, they’re US citizens waiting at the border waiting to pass! Hamas has nothing to do with this 🤦🏽‍♀️

some if the hostages they are holding are US citizens. Why are you so naive you believe that Hamas will openly hold some us citizens hostage but the reason other us citizens can’t get out a border controlled by Hamas and Egypt is because of big bad Israel?

genuinely - why aren’t you just a little sceptical about Hamas’ claims? Do you honestly think you’re not just an anti semite?

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:35

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:27

All but one photo trade-marked to Reuters/Getty images so of respectable provenance for you

It looks like the M20 when there's problems at Dover customs except no-one dies when that happens

Photos of what? Photos of aid trucks waiting at a border controlled by Egypt and Hamas is not proof Israel will bomb said trucks!

you know we don’t actually use children’s blood to make those wafers we eat at Passover too? That’s not tru either.

fioritura · 15/10/2023 12:35

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BelleHathor · 15/10/2023 12:35

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 11:41

The claim that Israel is refusing to allow us passport holders out of the rafah crossing and that Israel will bomb aid convoys is deliberate misinformation spread by Hamas.

The rafah crossing is not even controlled by israel- rather by Egypt and by Hamas. Hamas are currently openly holding a number of women children and old people as hostages. Why does anyone think it’s israel holding up letting out third country nationals when those are the facts?

Sources please to show misinformation and also that the middle east monitor "is a mouthpiece for Hamas".

Simply asserting something doesn't make it fact, I will take the MSM sources who have verified it (after being embarrassed and having to apologise for the babies beheaded story).

bombastix · 15/10/2023 12:40

It is so horrible; Hamas want a wider war, and the Israelis must not bite.

Iran must be delighted. I hope that they do not get the wider war they want.

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:41

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:26

Presumably because the relevant parties have not yet reached a deal to open the border- controlled by Egypt and Hamas. That is what is reported in the reliable media.

I certainly don’t assume that it’s because Israel will deliberately bomb them because (1) they have denied this, (2) they don’t do this and (3) there is no evidence that there is any benefit to them of doing this nor that they would do this other than Hamas propaganda

It's really very simple

They are waiting whilst people are dying because 'the relevant authority' is Israel who isn't agreeing to safe passage of the convoy - all the other 'relevant authorities' agree it should pass into Gaza

As Israel as far as we know don't have a military presencel at the Gaza-Egypt border the only way that they can stop the convoy is from afar ie using missiles or bombs

It's a matter of logic as much as anything

How else could Israel stop a convoy of aid?

Needspace2023 · 15/10/2023 12:46

They should have a ceasefire. Evacuate and send aid to civilians and those injured in hospitals. Meanwhile somebody needs to negotiate with Hamas to release the hostages and surrender.
Who will they listen to? Who? These are terrorists. They don't care about Israelis and they also don't care about Palestinians.
For all those srraming ethnic cleansing you need to step back and put yourselves in the shoes of innocent people whose family members including children have been held hostage.

Needspace2023 · 15/10/2023 12:47

The trouble is Terrorists do not care and carnage and victimhood while abusing others is all they know.

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:52

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You’re blinded by your hatred towards Jewish people. The Rafah border is controlled by Hamas and Egypt. There is no evidence that Israel will bomb aid nor that Israel is preventing the border being opened. Earlier Hamas had closed the border and Egypt have kept it closed.

fioritura · 15/10/2023 12:53

Needspace2023 · 15/10/2023 12:47

The trouble is Terrorists do not care and carnage and victimhood while abusing others is all they know.

Yes I agree - the Israeli regime really has mastered the art of continually terrorising millions of innocent civilians whilst simultaneously playing the victim over the decades.

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:55

And as for the threat to bomb aid convoys - the source was an official Egyptian spokesperson - not Hamas

Israel also denied that Egypt gave them early warning of the Hamas attack - yesterday the Israeli Minister for Security said that there had been failings in intelligence [sadly it happens see 9/11] - we will see in future who was telling the truth

My money is on Egypt ATM because they have NO interest in supporting Hamas or there being a war btwn Hamas and Israel - theu already have too many problems of their own

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:55

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:41

It's really very simple

They are waiting whilst people are dying because 'the relevant authority' is Israel who isn't agreeing to safe passage of the convoy - all the other 'relevant authorities' agree it should pass into Gaza

As Israel as far as we know don't have a military presencel at the Gaza-Egypt border the only way that they can stop the convoy is from afar ie using missiles or bombs

It's a matter of logic as much as anything

How else could Israel stop a convoy of aid?

Is only simple because it’s made up in your head. You have no evidence israel is stopping aid at the rafah border. The border is controlled by Hamas and Egypt.

It’s just your prejudice.

Needspace2023 · 15/10/2023 12:57

Crazy mindset.
I mean I don't think it's even registered what they did in that killing spree and hostage taking last week.
Unfortunately nothing will improve for Palestinians, thanks to people like you Netanyahu is in power and all the peace makers in Israel get sidelined as well as those in The Muslim world.
I have to give up on people like you.

fioritura · 15/10/2023 12:58

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:52

You’re blinded by your hatred towards Jewish people. The Rafah border is controlled by Hamas and Egypt. There is no evidence that Israel will bomb aid nor that Israel is preventing the border being opened. Earlier Hamas had closed the border and Egypt have kept it closed.

Can you please provide proof that Egypt is purposefully denying Palestinians water, food and medical supplies by refusing to open the border for aid trucks and therefore supporting the genocidal actions of Israel? That is a very big claim without any sources provided so far.

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:58

Efacsen · 15/10/2023 12:55

And as for the threat to bomb aid convoys - the source was an official Egyptian spokesperson - not Hamas

Israel also denied that Egypt gave them early warning of the Hamas attack - yesterday the Israeli Minister for Security said that there had been failings in intelligence [sadly it happens see 9/11] - we will see in future who was telling the truth

My money is on Egypt ATM because they have NO interest in supporting Hamas or there being a war btwn Hamas and Israel - theu already have too many problems of their own

The source was “Middle East Monitor”, which is a Hamas mouthpiece.

fioritura · 15/10/2023 12:59

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 12:58

The source was “Middle East Monitor”, which is a Hamas mouthpiece.

No, the source was Egyptian security officials via Reuters. Your reading comprehension is basically non-existent at this point.

Needspace2023 · 15/10/2023 13:01

The rotten state of the Western Left. Half of the images circulating on Social Media are images from Syria.
I'm left wing in fact but the Western Left are an absolute shambles. I despair!

yumyum33 · 15/10/2023 13:01

russetapple · 13/10/2023 16:39

Maybe they're afraid of terrorists infiltrating their country

Who can blame them. The Arab nations could easily have helped the Palestinians after all these years but they're a useful pawn.

If Hamas free the hostages that could be a start to the end of this. Nobody seems to be addressing this.

fioritura · 15/10/2023 13:02

God forbid people protest genocide!

Heelenahandbasket · 15/10/2023 13:02

fioritura · 15/10/2023 12:58

Can you please provide proof that Egypt is purposefully denying Palestinians water, food and medical supplies by refusing to open the border for aid trucks and therefore supporting the genocidal actions of Israel? That is a very big claim without any sources provided so far.

There is no “genocidal actions” of Israel. You well know the border is controlled by Egypt on one side and Hamas on the other.

im going to stop engaging with you now- your lies and hyperbole are based on prejudice.

Needspace2023 · 15/10/2023 13:04

God forbid a country seeks to fight savage terrorists who kidnapped innocent people including toddlers and hide among their own civilian population!

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