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Why won’t Egypt help the Gazans?

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antiterror · 13/10/2023 16:21

It seems the most if not the only logical solution, to set up refugee shelters in the Sinai peninsula?

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antiterror · 13/10/2023 17:23

Thanks, it makes a little more sense now.

Even if they could take the infants and nursing mothers, let MSF in?

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SlightlyJaded · 13/10/2023 17:23

Because the Palestinian people and Hamas are so intertwined. That's not to say for one moment that all Palestinian people support Hamas, but some do. Most Palestinians will horrified by Hamas latest actions but a huge influx of displaced Palestinians will almost certainly include a number of Hamas and Hamas supporters - and who wants to welcome that?

russetapple · 13/10/2023 17:29

The sad and ugly truth is that many Palestinians do support Hamas.

MrsMarzetti · 13/10/2023 17:31

TomeTome · 13/10/2023 16:31

Why don’t we?

Because we have had enough issues with terrorists and don't need to import anymore.

Aquestioningmind · 13/10/2023 17:32

antiterror · 13/10/2023 17:23

Thanks, it makes a little more sense now.

Even if they could take the infants and nursing mothers, let MSF in?

And when those children find out how their (potentially) innocent fathers died? It would likely turn some into Hamas sympathisers - some not all.

Is Egypt willing to take that risk with all their other problems? No.

Even if it was children and mothers - how do you know those mothers don't support Hamas? Not every woman is innocent in war, just like not every man is guilty.

piscofrisco · 13/10/2023 17:34

Because the Rafa gate has been bombed.
And Egypt aren't going to risk their own citizens and security either are they. Though they, Jordan and Quatar have said they stand with palestine today havent they? Whatever that means. Why aren't WE helping the gazans? Why aren't the US using their fuck off big aircraft carrier to evacuate from the coast?

TomeTome · 13/10/2023 17:38

MrsMarzetti · 13/10/2023 17:31

Because we have had enough issues with terrorists and don't need to import anymore.

There you go then. Why would the Egyptians feel differently? Why would the Palestinians want to be driven out of their homes to be greeted with such attitudes? These are not terrorists these are hundreds and thousands of civilians.

Did the Israelis not destroy the exits anyway?

Cailleachian · 13/10/2023 17:44

Egypt has its own troubles, its going through a financial crisis, is massively indebted, inflation is running at 78%, there is massive underemployment, full time min wage is approx $150pcm and there are elections in a few months. It has also just taken in a number of refugees from Sudan, which has caused ruffles in the general "immigrants taking our jobs" sense.

Egyptians in general are extremely sympathetic to the situation of Gaza, but are not generally in favour of opening up the border, because that gives an opportunity for Israel to flatten Gaza and they fear that this will open up the possibility for an invasion into Egypt.

The Sinai peninsula (the bit of egypt on the border with Gaza/Israel has a terrorist problem, with random attacks going on there, which tend to be covered up/minimised in the Egyptian press as "accidents", because the president has a military background and the military need to project a strong image.

Egypt will not open the border except to provide resources and aid.

BoohooWoohoo · 13/10/2023 17:45

antiterror · 13/10/2023 17:23

Thanks, it makes a little more sense now.

Even if they could take the infants and nursing mothers, let MSF in?

It would takes a lot of resources to keep a refugee camp women and infants only and the safety of refugees is never a priority wherever you go in the world.

jenpil · 13/10/2023 17:48

Egypt has a huge population and very poor people, without adding Gazans into the mix too.

I don't think the Egyptian people would appreciate it.

Why don't Saudi or the UAE or another rich islamic country ever help out?

Flibbertigibbettytoes · 13/10/2023 17:48

There was.some.commentary on the news earlier that it's because they don't believe this would be temporary as the Palestinians who move to safety will lose their land.

paperflowers55 · 13/10/2023 17:48

piscofrisco · 13/10/2023 17:34

Because the Rafa gate has been bombed.
And Egypt aren't going to risk their own citizens and security either are they. Though they, Jordan and Quatar have said they stand with palestine today havent they? Whatever that means. Why aren't WE helping the gazans? Why aren't the US using their fuck off big aircraft carrier to evacuate from the coast?

I'd like it if we helped the women and children only. I refuse to accept a single of their men here. they despise women

paperflowers55 · 13/10/2023 17:50

jenpil · 13/10/2023 17:48

Egypt has a huge population and very poor people, without adding Gazans into the mix too.

I don't think the Egyptian people would appreciate it.

Why don't Saudi or the UAE or another rich islamic country ever help out?

they actually pay money to keep them away I've read. Jordan has had a bad experience when they tried to assassinate the king

MoralOrLegal · 13/10/2023 17:51

Egypt closed and fortified its border many years ago due to Hamas terrorists attacking Egyptian targets.

Notonthestairs · 13/10/2023 17:53

I suppose Egypt can also look to Lebanon and see how complicated and expensive hosting refugees can be. Lebanon has nearly 180,000 Palestinian refugees as well as over a million Syrian refugees.

I read somewhere that Qatar might be trying to broker a deal to get people out. I can only hope that is right.

Noicant · 13/10/2023 17:53

jenpil · 13/10/2023 17:48

Egypt has a huge population and very poor people, without adding Gazans into the mix too.

I don't think the Egyptian people would appreciate it.

Why don't Saudi or the UAE or another rich islamic country ever help out?

Because they really, really, really don’t like hamas, except Qatar who seem quite fond of them.

Notonthestairs · 13/10/2023 17:56

"Because they really, really, really don’t like hamas, except Qatar who seem quite fond of them."

Is there anyone in the region that might be able to coordinate a deal to get vulnerable people out of Gaza?
I have been hoping that behind the scenes a deal might be struck somewhere.

Wibble128 · 13/10/2023 17:59

Let Iran take them in. That way the root and means of most of the trouble is in one place. Egypt has its own problems with ISIS, Moslem Brotherhood etc the border with Libya is troublesome.

musicforthesoul · 13/10/2023 18:05

Besides significant issues around funding it they don't want Hamas inside their borders. What country would want to deal with the trouble that would cause?

LuisVitton · 13/10/2023 18:07

Noicant · 13/10/2023 17:03

Firstly refugees need a lot of taking care of, it costs resources. Secondly no-one wants hamas in their country really, the PLO has a not great history in the region, they got stuck in during the lebanese civil war, tried to assassinate the King of Jordan a few times and were accused of helping the Iraqis during the gulf war. Hamas are definitely worse than the PLO.

Most of it’s neighbours may not like Israel very much but they also don’t want a bunch of militants landing up on their doorstep that are going to cause a headache.

It’s deeply unfair on the Gazans who are suffering a great deal.

The Gazans voted in Hamas as their Gov.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 18:10

Eqypt is not a fan of Hamas

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 18:10

The Gazans voted in Hamas as their Gov.

And there hasn't been an election since

RubyRubyRubyRubay · 13/10/2023 18:10

There was an ex-Egyptian gov official on the news earlier saying Israel will take over Gaza if the Palestinians leave and they will lose their land. He was calling strongly for the west to plead for restraint to stop the invasion of Gaza and the escalation of this crisis into war between several countries.

Noicant · 13/10/2023 18:12

Notonthestairs · 13/10/2023 17:56

"Because they really, really, really don’t like hamas, except Qatar who seem quite fond of them."

Is there anyone in the region that might be able to coordinate a deal to get vulnerable people out of Gaza?
I have been hoping that behind the scenes a deal might be struck somewhere.

I think the UAE were trying to get a prisoner swap for hostages sorted. You never know, I assume there is a lot of talking behind the scenes to both Hamas and Israel.

Noicant · 13/10/2023 18:18

LuisVitton · 13/10/2023 18:07

The Gazans voted in Hamas as their Gov.

Yeah tbf to them though after Hamas bedded down they didn’t really allow them any alternative. Even if Gazans were sick to the back teeth of them Hamas is brutal and I can’t imagine your average Gazan would want to cross them.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests-against-hamas-reemerge-in-the-streets-of-gaza-but-will-they-persist/

They terrorise their own people. I can only think the people supporting Hamas and the attacks on Israel don’t understand what they actually are.

Protests against Hamas reemerge in the streets of Gaza, but will they persist?

Demonstrations have again broken out against the terror group that rules over impoverished enclave, though such movements have been short-lived in the past

https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests-against-hamas-reemerge-in-the-streets-of-gaza-but-will-they-persist/

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