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TORY VOTERS: Keir has a message for you....

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ShippingForecastSnooze · 13/10/2023 06:47

He said: “If you are a Conservative voter who despairs of this, if you look in horror at the descent of your party into the murky waters of populism and conspiracy, with no argument for economic change; if you feel our children need a party that conserves, that fights for our union, our environment, the rule of law, family life, the careful bond between this generation and the next – then let me tell you, Britain already has one. And you can join it – it’s this Labour party.”

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SharonEllis · 14/10/2023 13:02

BIossomtoes · 14/10/2023 12:45

There are many, many different strands of feminism which take diverse viewpoints. I find the argument that you can’t be a feminist if you hold certain beliefs or, more commonly, you’re “the wrong kind of feminist” tedious and prescriptive. It’s almost as oppressive as the patriarchy.

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Sorry, I'm finding your deliberate misunderstanding of what I say quite tedious now. Of course there are different strands of feminism. But centring women really is the basis of all of it.

EasternStandard · 14/10/2023 13:05

SharonEllis · 14/10/2023 13:02

Sorry, I'm finding your deliberate misunderstanding of what I say quite tedious now. Of course there are different strands of feminism. But centring women really is the basis of all of it.

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Yes to this

SharonEllis · 14/10/2023 13:05

daliesque · 14/10/2023 12:58

And very very little on that list benefits working people with no kids

I'm a working person with no kids, I don't even like them, but even I can appreciate that it is better to not have kids grow up in poverty and to have some hope for a more,prosperous future. If only to reduce the benefits bill that we all have to,contribute to.

I do get pissed off with the hard working family rhetoric that all parties have and wish that they would all maybe just recognise that people without partners and/or children do exist in this society and pay their way too - in fact we pay a lot.

However, at this moment in time I'm an NHS consultant oncologist who had to tell three of my patients yesterday that their cancer was now terminal. All of them would have survived if their cancers had been detected at an earlier stage but the Tories have run the NHS down to such a state that there are many, many patients who have not been able to be treated in a timely manner. And no, I haven't been striking.

I could go on, but those three patients are now facing having to tell their families and friends that they only have a few more months left to live.

On Monday I will be telling more patients the same thing. Whilst it is part of my job ans always existed, there are more patients now who are seeing their lives shortened due to what this govt has done to this country.

If they get back in because of ignorance, bigotry and bullshit, then I'm afraid this country will have the health service they deserve. Ie the rich will be able to pay, the poor will die. And many more doctors will emigrate to countries where we get treated with respect.

This is really devastating and shows how dangerous it is to think they're all the same.

shoeawsome · 14/10/2023 13:11

daliesque · 14/10/2023 12:58

And very very little on that list benefits working people with no kids

I'm a working person with no kids, I don't even like them, but even I can appreciate that it is better to not have kids grow up in poverty and to have some hope for a more,prosperous future. If only to reduce the benefits bill that we all have to,contribute to.

I do get pissed off with the hard working family rhetoric that all parties have and wish that they would all maybe just recognise that people without partners and/or children do exist in this society and pay their way too - in fact we pay a lot.

However, at this moment in time I'm an NHS consultant oncologist who had to tell three of my patients yesterday that their cancer was now terminal. All of them would have survived if their cancers had been detected at an earlier stage but the Tories have run the NHS down to such a state that there are many, many patients who have not been able to be treated in a timely manner. And no, I haven't been striking.

I could go on, but those three patients are now facing having to tell their families and friends that they only have a few more months left to live.

On Monday I will be telling more patients the same thing. Whilst it is part of my job ans always existed, there are more patients now who are seeing their lives shortened due to what this govt has done to this country.

If they get back in because of ignorance, bigotry and bullshit, then I'm afraid this country will have the health service they deserve. Ie the rich will be able to pay, the poor will die. And many more doctors will emigrate to countries where we get treated with respect.

Thank you for all that you do!

I am sorry this Govt has let you down!

I agree 100% , they aren't all the same!

BIossomtoes · 14/10/2023 13:11

SharonEllis · 14/10/2023 13:05

This is really devastating and shows how dangerous it is to think they're all the same.

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It really is. And that’s one oncologist’s experience that must be replicated many times over across the country.

Princessandthepea0 · 14/10/2023 13:15

A feminist doesn’t constantly throw shade at other women who have a good salary. They also don’t suggest women should be escorted by the menz after dark - if they don’t they will bring on an attack. Thankfully, those viewpoints belong in the dark ages and the electorate views such as this are slowly dying out. It’s actually a very right wing view point.

BIossomtoes · 14/10/2023 13:17

Princessandthepea0 · 14/10/2023 13:15

A feminist doesn’t constantly throw shade at other women who have a good salary. They also don’t suggest women should be escorted by the menz after dark - if they don’t they will bring on an attack. Thankfully, those viewpoints belong in the dark ages and the electorate views such as this are slowly dying out. It’s actually a very right wing view point.

Good thing nobody’s said that then, isn’t it?

Princessandthepea0 · 14/10/2023 13:18

SharonEllis · 14/10/2023 12:37

Don't know about that, I was born in the 60s so I recognise old fashioned woman-blaming when I see it. The point of feminism is that feminists fight for all women, regardless of their views & the atereortpes of feminists tend to be pretty narrow. But feminists do tend to centre women as a guiding principle.

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The mask slips at times and out come the old fashioned woman hating views.

Freysimo · 14/10/2023 17:46

BIossomtoes · 14/10/2023 13:11

It really is. And that’s one oncologist’s experience that must be replicated many times over across the country.

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Imagine being an oncologist in Wales, NHS run by Welsh Labour. They must be totally demoralised.

daliesque · 14/10/2023 18:12

Imagine being an oncologist in Wales, NHS run by Welsh Labour. They must be totally demoralised.

How do you know I'm not in wales?

Im not, but friends of mine are and they are very clear that it is the UK govt who are to blame not the Welsh one.

But carry on making things up.

Freysimo · 16/10/2023 11:30

daliesque · 14/10/2023 18:12

Imagine being an oncologist in Wales, NHS run by Welsh Labour. They must be totally demoralised.

How do you know I'm not in wales?

Im not, but friends of mine are and they are very clear that it is the UK govt who are to blame not the Welsh one.

But carry on making things up.

I live in Wales and have worked in both English and Welsh NHS. Why is is the UK government's fault? Wales Labour is responsible for Wales NHS. Wales could raise money by taxation or fewer vanity projects but they don't.

AdrianaLaCerva · 17/10/2023 06:33

Come on then @daliesque, since you are so sure of the minds of Welsh people, what’s your response to the Welsh poster above who has, you know, actual experience?

Or perhaps you’d prefer to carry on making things up?

BIossomtoes · 17/10/2023 12:38

Freysimo · 16/10/2023 11:30

I live in Wales and have worked in both English and Welsh NHS. Why is is the UK government's fault? Wales Labour is responsible for Wales NHS. Wales could raise money by taxation or fewer vanity projects but they don't.

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I think you’ll find it’s a bit more complicated than that.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/more-devolution-tax-powers-risk-worth-taking-all-sides

More devolution of tax powers is a risk worth taking on all sides | Institute for Fiscal Studies

The United Kingdom is not the fiscal monolith it once was.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/more-devolution-tax-powers-risk-worth-taking-all-sides

heartbroken40 · 25/11/2023 10:07

Labour? The party of incompetence ? (Yes Tories are too but Labour are worse as they are also hypocrites)

No thanks I'll stick to voting Tories but thanks for your concern

Butteredtoast55 · 25/11/2023 10:16

@Fairyliz I so agree. I would hate to waste my vote or spoil my paper so it might have to be the least worst option, but it will stick in my craw to vote for a party that doesn't understand what a woman is.

MidnightOnceMore · 25/11/2023 10:37

heartbroken40 · 25/11/2023 10:07

Labour? The party of incompetence ? (Yes Tories are too but Labour are worse as they are also hypocrites)

No thanks I'll stick to voting Tories but thanks for your concern

I'm fascinated by people who want more of this government. They've broken literally everything.

And as for hypocrisy - Johnson stood at that podium and said we couldn't meet relatives whilst knowing there were regular piss ups in Downing Street. He personally called for higher fines, but only paid £50 himself.

KimberleyClark · 25/11/2023 11:01

Tontostitis · 13/10/2023 08:50

Under Labour things can only get worse Sir on the fence til he's forced to lie can do one.

And you seriously think things will get better if the Tories get in again? Seriously?

Brumbies · 28/11/2023 08:57

Vote Reform, you know it makes sense.

milenat · 28/11/2023 09:12

Brumbies · 28/11/2023 08:57

Vote Reform, you know it makes sense.

How?

MidnightOnceMore · 28/11/2023 10:22

Brumbies · 28/11/2023 08:57

Vote Reform, you know it makes sense.

It really doesn't. Their 'policies' would make every problem the country has worse.

They have no serious candidates.

It is like voting for that ranty guy in the pub.

newnamethanks · 29/11/2023 00:00

Who doesn't want more of 30pLee, Jonathan Gullis and friends? Their wit, their erudition, their grasp of the most intricate political nuances. Hurrah. Oh, I nearly forgot, James 'shithole' Cleverley. How could we get by without him, our newest and antonymic Home Secretary? 5 more years!

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