TORY VOTERS: Keir has a message for you....

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He said: “If you are a Conservative voter who despairs of this, if you look in horror at the descent of your party into the murky waters of populism and conspiracy, with no argument for economic change; if you feel our children need a party that conserves, that fights for our union, our environment, the rule of law, family life, the careful bond between this generation and the next – then let me tell you, Britain already has one. And you can join it – it’s this Labour party.”

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2019

Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act show Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd had her card suspended five times, while Tory backbencher Damian Collinss, Brexit minister James Cleverly and Cabinet Office minister Chloe Smithh are also among the repeat offenders who have been rapped more than ten times.

Cabinet ministers including Stephen Barclay, Greg Clarkk, Chris Graylingg, Rory Stewart, Jeremy Wright and David Mundell have also been blocked from using their cards by spending watchdog the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority.
Energy minister Claire Perry even used her official credit card to pay for her Amazon Prime subscription, accordiing to the paper.

We can all play that game!

And none of it changes the fact

That not in 2015 & not in 2019 but now sewage pouring into the sea, schools crumbling, railways broken energy companies ripping us off!
Imagery policies about bins, and meat and car sharing & flip flopping on car manufacturing & green policy & HS2 .

They are in charge now, have been for 13 years & they are incompetent!

shoeawsome
but now sewage pouring into the sea

Doesn't look too good here either:

April 2009 - British beach litter levels highest on record
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/08/beach-litter-record-levels-mcs
June 2009 - UK beaches set for clean-up following damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/jun/11/beach-clean-up-europe
September 2009 - Panorama
Britain's Dirty Beaches
Sand, sea and sewage. With the quality of bathing water on the UK's beaches in decline...
https://www.sas.org.uk/updates/bbc-panorama-britains-dirty-beaches-part-1/
October 2009 - UK faces European court for allowing raw sewage to enter Thames
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/09/river-thames-pollution-european-union

Again, pull out what you want, I don't care!

It's 2023 what are they doing about in now?

Apart from letting the water companies pass the charges on to us to pay for lack of investment since 1989?

Not a reservoir built since 1991!

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Jesus sooo boring

Who cares what he said about women with penises he's way better than Rishi and the shot show government we have now

There are so many more important issues than boring transgenders

This. I am so sick of people jumping on anything about Labour immediately and saying he doesn't know what a woman is. I get that this is an issue, but while you're all single issue voting our schools are falling down, the NHS is on its knees and we have a government stirring up bullshit culture wars and attacking immigrants. Get some perspective.

@ShippingForecastSnooze thanks for the thread. Let's hope a GE is called soon and Starmer will be PM. 🌹

SomethingOnce has a message for Keir:

Rishi managed to say what we all know to be true. Yes, some kids with blue hair may have indulged in a mad, angry cry but the world didn’t end. You’ve made yourself look weak and foolish with this men-can-be-women nonsense.

SomethingOnce has a question for Keir:

Did you actually watch the video of Julia Long questioning Lisa Nandy? Ye gods!

You have to laugh. Look back at Labour previous times in power. Added to which he can’t identify what a woman is, and flip flops away

all parties are crap

Just as it is in Wales where there is a Labour government, which shows us just what will happen if Labour get in ,

kier was an integral part of cobyns woman hating hamas loving regime.

This is silly. Thurrock, Northamptonshire & Woking also bust - and they are Tory! Just announced that another council is in trouble- now LD but problems date back to Tory control. Kent and Medway are also warning of bankruptcy. Also Tory. The problem with local govt funding again goes back to tory incompetence and lack of support for local government & civic pride. Council income is from government grant and council tax.The great cities tend to be Labour so they have always had to battle with tory central government. Also councils in poorer areas get proportionately less funding because government hasnt updated the formulas used for the central government grant. IFS did a study on it - very well documented.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/13/michael-goves-local-council-warns-of-bankruptcy-risk-after-failed-tory-investments

I’m sure Labour will fix it as they have in Wales

You’ll just get more of the same plus the ‘bullshit’ gender stuff

This is untrue.

The rise in NHS waiting lists, the drop in crime detection & prosecution, the cuts to school funding and the huge rise in poverty are political choices made by the Conservatives.

Liverpool was overrun with pink hair types

Ermmm... what??

I laughed when I watched him on TV at the weekend promoting out of hours NHS services if they get in power and insistent that HCP were ' up for it'.
Only a single member of our 30 strong general practice team voted for introducing extended hours in a recent meeting. One receptionist.

@CallieQ 'There are so many more important issues than boring transgenders'

I quite agree. Specifically the destruction of women's rights & protections, hard-won over the last 150 years. That apply to 51% of the population. For the sake of what?

Exactly which of the rights we’ve acquired in the last 100+ years are we in danger of losing? As someone who fought for quite a lot of them I’m interested to know.

Sex-based rights. If anyone can identify as a woman then there is no basis for analysing women's oppression. So, e.g. single-sex spaces which protect women from predatory men. All the sex-based rights in the Equality Act are gone if a man can 'identify' as a woman. How then do we analyse the impact? We can't because the data is skewed as is already beginning to happen with sex offending where we know males are overwhelmingly the perpetrators. If men identify as women we get 'women' perpetrating male crimes. And we can't unpick the difference.

I can’t see that 0.1% of the population can do much skewing. When women start to take their own safety seriously I might have some sympathy with the safe space argument. There was a recent thread filled with women determined to claim their right to do whatever they like and run in isolated places after dark. A lot of us seem to be deliberately putting ourselves in dangerous situations.

I despair, I really do as I feel politically homeless. I've voted for all major parties in the past so as a floating voter am exactly the sort of person Labour should want to be winning over but they're not convincing me. At all.

Protecting single sex spaces and fighting self-ID is the most important priority for me so I'm likely going to be a single issue voter at the next election.

In which case you can’t vote Tory with a straight face. Self ID was Theresa May’s initiative in 2017 and there are numerous Tory female MPs who support it.

They are both as bad as each other but unfortunately I'll have to continue to vote Tory. Keir has no policies and is DEFINITELY not protecting our children. Sorry OP

Try reading some news. Countless very good policies were announced only this week. The Tories aren’t protecting children - there are 4.2 million of them living in poverty after 13 years of Tory government.

A disproportionate number of trans-identified males are in prison for sex offences so they do skew the figures. We're not talking about women going out after dark. We're talking about women in prisons, rape shelters & domestic violence refuges, in prisons and the more boradly in spaces that affect us all like toilets & changing rooms. When we open up tbose spaces to include the 49% to accommodate the 0.1% or whatever it is (more than that if we allow in males who define as NB when they feel lile it) then safeguarding collapses.

I remember what Blair and Brown did, and feeling stupid that I voted Blair in, so no, won't be voting for them.