TORY VOTERS: Keir has a message for you....

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He said: “If you are a Conservative voter who despairs of this, if you look in horror at the descent of your party into the murky waters of populism and conspiracy, with no argument for economic change; if you feel our children need a party that conserves, that fights for our union, our environment, the rule of law, family life, the careful bond between this generation and the next – then let me tell you, Britain already has one. And you can join it – it’s this Labour party.”

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If he spent less time and energy slagging off the Tories and more on actually working out decent, rigorous, joined-up policies that stand up to scrutiny I might vote for him.

Err...that's exactly what he and Rachel Reeves just did at the party conference if you had bothered to listen! But it's always easier to moan and spew ignorant platitudes isn't it?

Exactly this

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Never voted Tory in my life and never will, but this is just pathetic.

I'm still waiting for him to come off of the fence on any of the issues I care about.

Part of the expansion (as far as the North amd South Circulars) was on Shapps' order.

This. He's not even suggested that he'll do anything different, refuses to commit to anything.

What have the Tories done for ANYONE (who isn’t their rich mates) including working people with no kids?

To be fair MN can't agree on what working class means ...

We are good on woman though

Incorrect.

Err...that's exactly what he and Rachel Reeves just did at the party conference if you had bothered to listen! But it's always easier to moan and spew ignorant platitudes isn't it?

Did he? I heard the opening where he said he felt sorry for Manchester for having to host the Tory conference and that a lettuce would have been better as PM than Liz Truss. And then some stuff about bulldogging through planning to build more houses. If there was any acknowledgement of why planning restrictions exist and the justified concerns people have about overriding them I missed it and just heard more playground name calling (NIMBY this time.)

But I am very willing to admit I didn't listen too closely after that start, and since he thinks we mustn't say men don't have a cervix I don't see him as an option for my vote 🤷‍♀️

I feel compelled to add I'm not a Tory voter. Was Labour, back in the day before they started shaming women for standing up for their rights.

No thanks. The thing is, if Keir and his gang were offering anything substantial, of value, or even anything tangible, people wouldn’t have to keep selling him to us. He’d be selling himself.

He’s thinks he be can everything to everyone by not actually committing to anything, for fear that he alienates some voter group which he needs for power. So he’s nothing to anyone. Especially women.

And 100% of women can’t have a penis.

Of course. I was responding to someone saying all politicians were the same (they patently are not) and that Labour had no achievements - the things Labour achieved were life changing.

It also cost a lot in a way we’re still paying for and we won’t be able to do again.

Starmer will be as constrained as anyone with current funding. Which is why Wales is finding it tough and people aren’t singing praises there

There was a global financial crisis caused on the US. Brown & Darling are widely credited with contributing to stabilising that situation. Our current crisis has global dimensions too but Brexit & tory mismanagement has been catastrophic by any metric.

It wasn’t something unconnected. Credit and risk

High risk exposure during a boom took us down hard in the bust. Sure we enjoyed riding the high but that came crashing down.

Credit - PPP ie using tax payer money to inflate state spending but off government books

We won’t be going back as everyone has realised that combination is unsustainable and has a bad outcome

No party will touch the same again, so if you expect similar ask where the funding will come from.

You've muddled me up with someone else - I'm not expecting similar because they will be inheriting such a mess & they are being honest about that. But the values will be similar and they will be a damn sight more competent.

I am a lifelong lefty, have only ever not voted Labour once (went for Green) and live in a safe labour seat but a Brexit supporting place.
I feel completely fed up of the Labour Party rhetoric trying to get the red wall back. They are so desperate to get into power and seem to be completely missing the point STILL. Imo the reason they lost badly in 2019 was because of Corbyn and the number of Labour voters who didn't support him and thought Boris (who had celebrity quality) couldn't be that bad. Now, they are ahead in the polls because the Tories are indeed that bad, Boris was the tip of the iceberg of corruption and inadequacy.
I don't know what the Labour Party really stands for, I don't know what they will actually do in power and I don't trust them not to back track.
It's time for PR and devolution and a massive shake up of this system.

I also feel like none of them are being honest. Brexit was/is a disaster, some of the Tory policies are downright lunacy and racism, bigotry, xenophobia etc had all been allowed to grow without being called out.

I would agree it is people that work. definition is in the name
However, many people that don't work also call themselves working class
So I can see where the confusion lies

You won’t get similar as last time was built on sand and unsustainable.

As for the rest, no money means false promises

plus I’m not really looking at Wales and thinking it looks good. I suppose honesty over it being like that will stop later criticism

@justanothernamechangemonday

"Tories are doing fuck all for anyone, except the super rich. If you don't know where to vote, don't vote fucking Conservative. Christ."

I was going to type something fairly lengthy full of facts and figures, but your comment sums it up perfectly. Thank you.

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To be fair Keir Starmer is talking to Tory voters who despair.

Not those who are prepared to disregard the state of our country to participate in a made up culture war and indulge in conspiracy theories.

propped up people during covid with furlough?

mortgage holidays during covid?

made it impossible to evict people for rent arrears during covid?