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Men and Russell Brand

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CurlewKate · 17/09/2023 07:24

The whole Russell Brand thing just just puts a spotlight on what's happening about VAWG generally. Men are not speaking out. Men knew it was happening and did absolutely nothing. Every male comedian we laugh at and buy tickets for us complicit in this whole shit show. Part of the problem. And it's the same in society at large. Men need to step up and say "We're not having this-it reflects badly on all of us." Daniel Sloss is obviously an honourable-ish exception, although where were you last year, or the year before, Daniel? Let's stop thinking of this as something women have to fix.

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mrshoho · 23/09/2023 10:03

Because Brand was given a green light to behave in this way. He never hid it. He laughed about it, regaled in his abusiveness on his radio shows. That is why he is so indignant now.

BIossomtoes · 23/09/2023 11:16

That doesn’t make it worse.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 23/09/2023 12:02

GCAcademic · 17/09/2023 07:30

Yep. The victim’s testimony in which she says a man who heard her screaming as she was (allegedly*) raped by Brand apologised to her afterwards for doing nothing has really got to me. He then wouldn’t speak to the Times. Time and again, men close ranks and protect rapists and abusers.

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This was heartbreaking. I will never understand how they could all sit back and allow this sort of thing to happen and do nothing. I can’t imagine how that women felt that they all knew and didn’t intervene, it’s almost worse than if they hadn’t heard anything.

I didn’t know that he had been asked to corroborate but I watched the programme with dh and said that I bet that sorry or not, he still wouldn’t speak up now. I’m more disappointed than I ought to be that I was right. How could he let her down again?

mrshoho · 23/09/2023 12:08

SchoolQuestionnaire · 23/09/2023 12:02

This was heartbreaking. I will never understand how they could all sit back and allow this sort of thing to happen and do nothing. I can’t imagine how that women felt that they all knew and didn’t intervene, it’s almost worse than if they hadn’t heard anything.

I didn’t know that he had been asked to corroborate but I watched the programme with dh and said that I bet that sorry or not, he still wouldn’t speak up now. I’m more disappointed than I ought to be that I was right. How could he let her down again?

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It's fucking horrendous.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 23/09/2023 12:12

SnowflakeCity · 17/09/2023 11:38

No. I am saying that this shouldn't be a man/woman issue like you seem to think it is. You seem to think we should sit around relying on men to speak up with no onus at all on women. I think that the burden of speaking up should be shared equally. The idea that women are too precious to be expected to speak up needs to die out and the idea that it is none of mens business needs to die out. It is everybody's responsibility, sec has no bearing.

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I speak up about ignorant sexist shit every single time I see it. People are still pleasant to me but they don’t take much notice and I now have a reputation amongst some of my colleagues of being a grumpy bitch who can’t take a joke. The odd time a man supports what I’m saying these same men look a bit sheepish and apologise.

It’s not about women being too precious (although I can completely understand why some women don’t speak up, it’s only since I’ve got older that I began to voice my disapproval), it’s about the fact that a lot of men don’t actually give a shit if they are upsetting women. But they may be unhappy and more open to changing their behaviour if a man they respect disapproved of their actions.

Frankly I wish this wasn’t the case. I wish sex had no bearing but unfortunately it does.

KandieKaine · 23/09/2023 13:18

Bouledeneige · 20/09/2023 07:44

The bit that really upset me was making jokes (and getting laughs) about blow jobs till they gag and the fact that invariably he spat on women after sex. That's what they really think of women. We are just holes.

Imagine being married to that man. Or his mother.

It amazes me how after hearing all this as a member of his audience, women STILL went backstage to meet him - for sex!

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