Men and Russell Brand

[CurlewKate]

The whole Russell Brand thing just just puts a spotlight on what's happening about VAWG generally. Men are not speaking out. Men knew it was happening and did absolutely nothing. Every male comedian we laugh at and buy tickets for us complicit in this whole shit show. Part of the problem. And it's the same in society at large. Men need to step up and say "We're not having this-it reflects badly on all of us." Daniel Sloss is obviously an honourable-ish exception, although where were you last year, or the year before, Daniel? Let's stop thinking of this as something women have to fix.

Much of it is highly conspirational and if any one of their gang is attacked, such as Brand, we're snowflakes for calling it out. Doesn't matter to them if it's covid masks or misogyny, it's all the same kind of concerted MSM attack on their civil liberties. I've been genuinely shocked at some of the threads over the last few days where a lot of women (apparently) just can't see past the argument that this whole situation with Brand is a media set-up and they are repeatedly parroting verbatim their favourite libertarian or GB News commentator

What you have described are fully signed up conspiracy theorists. You can't argue with those people. Because they believe everything is a conspiracy from MSM and the mysterious ' They' who are seeking to control us. Any evidence you present is bogus as they believe your source is part of the conspiracy. Any criticism of someone from their side is part of the conspiracy. Anything that could cause them to reconsider their point of view is part of the conspiracy.

WhT about all the PEOPLE who turned a blind eye . It wasn't just men was it . That's the question to ask .

But women who knew will usually have very different reasons for not speaking up than men who knew.

Women often don't speak up because they're scared of men. They're scared of them physically but also know that men still have more influence at a high level to destroy their careers and make their life hell. Girls from around puberty are sexualised by men, they learn to keep quiet and go along with things to not make situations worse for themselves.

Men on the other hand often don't speak up because they think it's not really that bad and view women as something to treat as badly as they like. And the men that aren't like that don't speak up for the same reasons women don't, they're frightened of these men.

So yes, the problem is men.

But he knew how litigious RB could and would be. If someone as outspoken as Katherine Ryan didn’t dare name him ( didn’t we realise who it was though? ) I’m not really surprised he didn’t. And at least he is one of very few men who have had the guts to say anything at all. The worse culprits surely are the production companies who certainly knew.

Totally agree with this.

I don’t blame anyone for not going to the police. They have hardly covered themselves in glory lately have they?

The mixture of genders enabling is a different subject to the one where we look at the mixture of those speaking up. I find it embarrassing, and I won't minimise it, justify it or excuse it. It's unacceptable

Not only in headline stuff like this, but our everyday lives where we can do something more powerful and act. Call out the people in our everyday lives and support affected people. It's our actions not our words that define who we really are

What I find incredible, in all of our wokery, Brand's so-called type of comedy hasn't been cancelled years ago.

I am staying with family, we were saying exactly this earlier this evening, when chatting about it.

I hate MN formatting. Imagine the quote marks.

After my exh beat me I went to see my doctor so that he could make a note of my injuries. I sat in front of him with a busted lip and listened to him tell me that all couples have a little argument from time to time. When you come up against that kind of attitude you feel lost.

@Ramalangadingdong Christ, that's awful.

I 100% believe the women and the documentary. Of all the things that have come put about various celebrities I believe the allegations. The only one I don't believe is Noel Clarke.

I like Daniel Sloss from what ive seen of him although i remember tuning into Graham Norton show on BBC1 when he and Keeley Hawes were on there Must have been a couple of years ago and he completely talked over her to the point that she seemed to give up trying to get a word in.

Every male comedian is complicit? What, even make comedians who have never met RB?

OK, so how about the police and criminal justice system take reports of rape and sexual assault seriously and investigate it like a proper crime? You know, like expressing ‘transphobic’ views or going over 20mph in the town centre? Only half(darkly)joking

In all seriousness, though, a country that stubbornly refuses to protect half its population from powerful, incredibly dangerous individuals cannot call itself remotely civilised or developed. The journos at the Times are doing the job the police should be doing.

You need a seriously strong stomach to read what his supporters are saying on twitter. Tonights highlight "There should be a one year statute of limitations on rape. If you don't know you've been raped after 365 days you're just a slut"

every male comedian is complicit

Based on what evidence?
It'd fair to say that some men and women knew about and condoned RBs behaviour but a silly generalisation helps no-one.

Also rb was in full sight. He made no secret of his misogynistic behaviour yet some women were happy to go to his room knowing full well that sex was part of the deal , the groupie mentality

I’m a man and was the victim of domestic abuse - the police pretty much laughed it off when I reported it!

It’s really not taken seriously enough.

There were complaints about the Andrew Sachs incident because a man was upset and offended by it. Women, on the other hand, are fair game and even other women are complicit in this. If Brand and Ross had made the same comments about Georgina Baillie but not involved or mentioned Andrew Sachs it would have passed by in the same way all the rest of Brand's disgusting behaviour did.

It's telling that this is the incident he lost his job over.

I'm actually getting to the point now where I'd happily live in a world without men.

Yes, until men start standing up for us other humans AKA women, I basically don't believe anything they say regarding women's rights.

They are basically agreeing with RB
Enabling.

Where are the men?!?!?!

Of all the times I was hassled by men when I was younger, not once did a man call the harassing man's behaviour out. The only time anyone stood up for me or tried to help me, it was other women. Never a man

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This. Time and time again.

I remember being on a train in London and the things these guys were saying to this teenage girl was awful. Not one man spoke up/stood up/ confronted them. Not one.

And these men have wives/sisters/daughters/female colleagues etc!!!

I despair

I dont know where you're looking but my twitter feed is full of men calling out this behaviour twitter.com/simonharris_mbd/status/1703870596348621109?t=UwvKqUWnZKKu22gT3l88tA&s=19

It's not as simplistic as 'human and base urges'. The entire entertainment industry, from Disney to romcoms, pushes the agenda of 'the abusive/rude/dour/misunderstood/scary asshole who is 'redeemed and transformed' by the love of a 'good woman'.

Porn packages rape and abuse as entertainment and titillation.
And there are absolutely men who deliberately target vulnerable/young/drunk women. And if the women aren't vulnerable or drunk enough then they spike their drinks.

The abuse of women and DCs is a problem overwhelmingly caused, created, and condoned by men. The problem is they don't want to solve it. They want to revel in it. Unless they can get some brownie points after an expose by belatedly calling it out.

Look at how men are currently pushing and championing the erasure of women's rights and boundaries around single sex spaces, around women trusting their instincts on enforcing boundaries and calling out men's bad behaviour. With so much of life online, the rich incels are pushing the agenda - and their reality isn't one anyone should want to live in. Look at the men who can't even respect this tiny part of the internet prioritised women. Instead they infiltrate threads, co-ordinate attacks, try to get it closed down.

NAM but AM benefit from it.

Men aren't some kind of organisation acting to protect each other. Most men wouldn't piss on RB if he was on fire. However if we've already been found guilty by being in that group then fine, I will tell my daughters their dads going to jail for having a willy. Will it still be my problem to solve?