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Worried about my mother's neighbour and her obsession.

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missmartha · 11/08/2023 08:12

My mother died recently , but 20 yers prior to this she met a younger woman from the town she lived in at her art class and despite a 20 year age gap they hit it off.

This woman was so friendly she had a key to my mother's house and to be honest, was a help in my mother's final days but obsessively so.

Mother was 98 when she was admitted to hospital and the friend was with her, she visited twice daily and when she wasn't visiting she spent all day at my mother's house.
I do not live locally so could not visit daily but mother had other friends and neighbours but this one did not stop to the extent that she put people off visiting and the hospital staff thought she was my mother's daughter. She was there constantly, even attending ward meetings about my mother's future.

I am unclear what she did at my mother's house. I did ask and was told that she did the washing, took in the mail and 'aired' the house.
I'm pretty sure she moved in if I'm honest.
She lost weight , she wouldn't' eat. She refused days out with friends , gave up her hobbies and delayed her holiday.
When my mother returned home she slept in the house. Mother's other friends were afraid to visit.

My mother died recently and although I have visited, I have rarely seen the friend as she keeps out of my way. I have no idea why, we have a telephone relationship, but a good one I think.
Anyway on seeing the friend I was frankly shocked. She had obviously lost several stones in weight , looked much older and was restless, pacing and shaky.
I believe her to still be living at my mother's house though she can't do that much longer and has a very nice house of her own anyway.

All this has worried me and I am concerned about this woman. What , if anything can I do to help her, I fear she may be ill.

OP posts:
DustyLee123 · 11/08/2023 08:19

I’d be changing the locks, not worrying about this lady.

Greenshake · 11/08/2023 08:21

This woman is not your responsibility. Why are you letting this carry on?!

Gloriousgardener11 · 11/08/2023 08:24

I’m very sorry to hear about your loss OP.
Well for a start change the locks so she can’t just live there, it may affect the house insurance if anything should happen to the property while she is resident.
She sounds quite obsessed and may well have Mental Health problems.
As you live so far away I don’t think there is much you can do, does she have any family that you could contact ?

IFeelSoSoSad · 11/08/2023 08:25

It sounds like she and your mother had an intense relationship. Some friendships are like love affairs, and she has obviously lost someone extremely important in her life.

Poor thing, but I don’t know what you can do really.

NancyJoan · 11/08/2023 08:27

I’m sorry to hear about your mother.

I would tell this woman that you are coming to start going through the house ready to sell (even if you are not) and ask her to remove any of her own belongings so you don’t pack them up by mistake. And when you are there, go round and thank her for looking after the house, then collect the key.

Crinkle77 · 11/08/2023 08:28

How horrible. This woman was basically her mother carer in her final years and did a lot for her. She was lucky to have her as a friend. Yes it's concerning if she is living at her house and that needs dealing with but have a bit of compassion.

Peridot1 · 11/08/2023 08:34

Crinkle77 · 11/08/2023 08:28

How horrible. This woman was basically her mother carer in her final years and did a lot for her. She was lucky to have her as a friend. Yes it's concerning if she is living at her house and that needs dealing with but have a bit of compassion.

The last line of the OP literally says that she is worried for this woman and fears she may be ill. how is that horrible?

Crinkle77 · 11/08/2023 08:44

Peridot1 · 11/08/2023 08:34

The last line of the OP literally says that she is worried for this woman and fears she may be ill. how is that horrible?

I didn't mean the OP sorry meant the two posters after the OP.

Greenshake · 11/08/2023 08:49

Well crinkle, you have more compassion than me in that case, as I would not be letting an over bearing stranger carry on living in my late mother‘s house.

Beetleback · 11/08/2023 08:52

Greenshake · 11/08/2023 08:49

Well crinkle, you have more compassion than me in that case, as I would not be letting an over bearing stranger carry on living in my late mother‘s house.

Stranger? They were friends for 20 years!

Hermanfromguesswho · 11/08/2023 08:57

It sounds like they have had a significant relationship over the last 20 years, with them living together and your Mums friend being her carer as she got older/more ill. Was it definitely a friendship or do you think they could have been partners?
It sounds like you don’t know this lady very well or too much about their life together. Could you speak with her, explain that you didn’t know how close their friendship was and that you are worried about her, see if she opens up?
I’d definitely find out a bit more about her and their 20 year long friendship before just jumping in and kicking her out of her home as other posters have suggested!

GrumpyPanda · 11/08/2023 09:00

Beetleback · 11/08/2023 08:52

Stranger? They were friends for 20 years!

This. Friends at the very least. Sounds more like partners tbh, especially given the grieving. Some of the advice on here is heartless and ungrateful.

GreenKimono · 11/08/2023 09:05

It sounds to me as though they were partners.

TheCrystalPalace · 11/08/2023 09:06

The longer she lives at the house (if, indeed, that is what she is doing) the more it COULD back up a claim on your mother's estate.

Just tread carefully.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 11/08/2023 09:08

Can you have a conversation with her about how she’s feeling since your mother passed and gently suggest you’re concerned about her? Maybe ask if there’s a relative you could contact on her behalf, or if she has any other friend locally who could offer support? Or see if she’d like to contact Cruse, the bereavement charity?

It sounds like your mum was her whole world and the intensity of her grief is almost like she’s lost a family member herself - she may well be having some kind of breakdown. Whilst she’s obviously not your responsibility and you don’t want to create a problem for yourself, I agree she deserves some kindness and compassion (especially given her devotion to your mother’s care), not the cold shoulder and indifference of the ‘change the locks’ brigade. Some people have zero empathy.

JenniferBarkley · 11/08/2023 09:09

It does sound like they may have been partners. In any case, my relationship with my best friend wasn't romantic but it still took me a good 18 months after she died to be anything like myself again.

Does this lady have family? Could you tell her you're worried about her and see if she opens up to you? I'd be worried about her mental state but also that there may be something physical going on.

OnToTheNextOneOntoTheNextOne · 11/08/2023 09:10

Is there a chance this was your mother's partner? Of 20 years. Older gay people can be reluctant to come out to family.

In any case, this woman loved your mother and it sounds like she supported her in her final years in a way that you could not (and no judgement there, we all have our own lives).

It is a GOOD thing that someone was there for your mother's ward rounds, to watch over her and make sure she was recieving adequate care. In the current state of NHS hospitals it is easy to be forgotten by overworked staff. Why are you making out that it is sinister that she did this? Perhaps your own grief and guilt.

As for the people who were 'afraid' to visit because your mother's friend of 20 years, in her 70s was present... that's ridiculous. From my own experience OP, people make all kinds of bullshit excuses why they cannot visit or support a dying elderly relative.

Be kind to your mother's friend, who loved her and was there for her in her final days when many were not. She must be absolutely heartbroken to have lost her dearest friend of 20 years.

TakeMe2Insanity · 11/08/2023 09:11

Crinkle77 · 11/08/2023 08:28

How horrible. This woman was basically her mother carer in her final years and did a lot for her. She was lucky to have her as a friend. Yes it's concerning if she is living at her house and that needs dealing with but have a bit of compassion.

I’d go with this scenario. Think the best of her, but I’d also be conscious that people are not always what they seem so I would have the locks changed. Telephone her say you’d like to meet and thank her for her helping your mother. Choose a couple of nice items and let her choose something to take as a momento.

missmartha · 11/08/2023 09:12

Yes, this is a problem for me. They had a strong relationship and my mother gave her a key.
Mother felt comfortable about this and so did I to a large extent, by now that my mother has died there is no need for her to be there.
Least of my worries I'm many ways, I am really concerned about her physical and mental health now and feel that if I ask her to give me the key ....she has already started to sort out the house...she will collapse or worse. I have been there for two consecutive days this week and on each occasion she has waited for me to leave before locking the door behind me when I left. I was convinced she went back, but honestly she is jittery, and I haven't seen her eat a thing.
She has also started smoking...I mean ok but out of the blue?

She is harmless but utterly obsessed. if she has family I don't know who they are or where they are.

OP posts:
Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/08/2023 09:13

Henry James sister had what was called ‘a Boston Marriage’. Two women living together or very closely, but without any sexual overtones ( or not that anyone else knew about!) . Society recognised these relationships in that they would be invited to events as a couple. He was apparently ‘delighted’ for her, it provided companionship in an age when single women outnumbered men and were not much thought of.

Your mother’s friend must be getting on for eighty? So she probably has health issues of her own. It also sounds as if she is grieving. I think you are probably right that she should not be living in your mother’s house now, but you could maybe make the transition as easy as possible. Would she like any of your DM ornaments or furniture as a keepsake?

Wheresthebloomingsummersunshine · 11/08/2023 09:15

Their relationship sounds more like partners than just friends. Did your mum mention her at all in her will as a beneficiary? I think you need to let her know you're coming up to clear the house for sale, can she make sure that she's not left any of her own items in the house, and meet with her and find out what her plans are. Does she have family locally? Sounds like she may have her own health issues right now and need their ongoing support. Would counselling via Cruse be helpful for her?

BasketOfJumpers · 11/08/2023 09:17

You need to shut this down. I would ask her if there is anything she wants that is of particular sentimental value to her but I would be in the house when you do this. I would be changing the locks as soon as possible. I would be worried about the utterly obsessed part. This could get murky if she refuses to leave your Mother's house. I would put money on her being back in your Mother's house the second you were out of sight.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/08/2023 09:18

She's deep in grief and probably staying at the house because she's surrounded by memories of her friend, the times they spent together and it's where she feels safe.

Sorry, have no idea how you go about getting the house cleared for sale, but at some point you're going to have to sit down with her and tell her.

Spinet · 11/08/2023 09:18

I think you need to have a really good talk with her. Broach it head on. What do you want to know from her? Do you want to offer help? Do you need her to move out now? Have a very clear idea in your mind of what you want and what you need from her and then bring it up.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 11/08/2023 09:21

It really does sound like they may have been co-habiting partners, OP. The obsessive grief, the way she’s treating your mother’s house as her home, sorting her possessions etc, and the fierceness with which she fought for her throughout her illness. The way she makes herself scarce when you’re around seems to suggest a level of anxiety - she may even now be trying to protect your mother’s privacy by concealing the true nature of their relationship, whilst also struggling with her own devastating grief. Only you know whether any of this rings true, and I appreciate it may not be comfortable to contemplate, but it may help explain the situation you’re dealing with.

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