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Worried about my mother's neighbour and her obsession.

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missmartha · 11/08/2023 08:12

My mother died recently , but 20 yers prior to this she met a younger woman from the town she lived in at her art class and despite a 20 year age gap they hit it off.

This woman was so friendly she had a key to my mother's house and to be honest, was a help in my mother's final days but obsessively so.

Mother was 98 when she was admitted to hospital and the friend was with her, she visited twice daily and when she wasn't visiting she spent all day at my mother's house.
I do not live locally so could not visit daily but mother had other friends and neighbours but this one did not stop to the extent that she put people off visiting and the hospital staff thought she was my mother's daughter. She was there constantly, even attending ward meetings about my mother's future.

I am unclear what she did at my mother's house. I did ask and was told that she did the washing, took in the mail and 'aired' the house.
I'm pretty sure she moved in if I'm honest.
She lost weight , she wouldn't' eat. She refused days out with friends , gave up her hobbies and delayed her holiday.
When my mother returned home she slept in the house. Mother's other friends were afraid to visit.

My mother died recently and although I have visited, I have rarely seen the friend as she keeps out of my way. I have no idea why, we have a telephone relationship, but a good one I think.
Anyway on seeing the friend I was frankly shocked. She had obviously lost several stones in weight , looked much older and was restless, pacing and shaky.
I believe her to still be living at my mother's house though she can't do that much longer and has a very nice house of her own anyway.

All this has worried me and I am concerned about this woman. What , if anything can I do to help her, I fear she may be ill.

OP posts:
whowhatwerewhy · 15/08/2023 13:25

Without reading the will , there could be a new one op doesn't know about, no one will know the mother's wishes.

Busubaba · 15/08/2023 13:26

SkylarSpirit · 15/08/2023 12:22

As I've said before, I was in an almost identical situation myself, after my mother lost her life as the result of leaving a DV relationship. It took 8 months to evict my former stepfather from the house, and caused extreme trauma and danger to my physical safety.

OP has been asked for and received all sorts of practical advice and comfort, including advice and comfort from other bereaved people and from people who have been through this exact situation themselves.

OP has been very frequently updating Mumsnet with all these various twists and turns, yet has not done any of the very basic things that unfortunately everyone has to do when someone dies. She hasn't registered the death, hasn't looked at the will, and isn't taking any action on someone squatting and illegally going through the mother's things and the mother's financial stuff. OP doesn't come across as passive - she already had one major fight with the neighbour and threatened her - it's a reasonable thing to point out and ask why she's not done anything.

It's also reasonable to point out that the solicitor/alleged executor (I say alleged because he's claiming to be the executor but seemingly without a will naming him as such) is clearly acting in a dodgy manner. If OP is real, then she needs to be protected and be aware of the facts and the laws so she can protect herself.

The op has stated she is 90 minutes away from her mothers house.

We don't know where anyone else such as the solicitor is based.

missmartha · 15/08/2023 13:54

I think you should try reading through again. The trustees, who are also my mother's solicitor and the executor of her will have a name, I'm just not going to reveal it here.

I also have a solicitor and I' not will to name that one either. . This is where you may have come unstuck, there is a solicitor acting for me as from today as well as my mother's lawyer. They are from different law firms and have a different brief.

My life was becoming totally unmanageable because of this who ha and my solicitor stepped in to deal with it for me.

OP posts:
TakeMe2Insanity · 15/08/2023 14:22

BronwenFrideswide · 14/08/2023 22:50

I am not placid.....I am in a fury.

Channel that fury into cold hard take no nonsense determination, OP, both with her and the Executor.

The Executor must do their job and that woman must sling her hook.

This is very good advice.

While my first post on this thread began with kindness towards the woman I am more and more convinced that she has an ulterior motive. This is not the time to be calm and not do anything, now is the time to take control starting by registering the death then changing the locks.

Olika · 15/08/2023 14:44

I am so relieved to hear your solicitor has stepped in as this all has been sounding so stressful. I really hope they are able to sort out things and it gets easier from now on.

mathanxiety · 15/08/2023 14:57

@missmartha
You say your mother was a practicing Catholic and the neighbour is (I'd say loosely, considering her behaviour).

You should approach the parish priest and outline what has been going on. He needs to know what this woman has been up to and could have a word.

Busubaba · 15/08/2023 15:03

mathanxiety · 15/08/2023 14:57

@missmartha
You say your mother was a practicing Catholic and the neighbour is (I'd say loosely, considering her behaviour).

You should approach the parish priest and outline what has been going on. He needs to know what this woman has been up to and could have a word.

That's a good idea.

I want to know what she has told her mates who are also hanging out inside the house.

I would find it odd if my friend told me her friend had died and invite myself and others to go and hang out in the deceased woman's house.

That raises an eyebrow.

She's clearly not a nice woman as she mocked the op when the op spoke to her about what she was doing in her late mothers home.

Irunoncoffeemascaraandhighheels · 15/08/2023 15:12

I don't know why you're surprised at your solicitor-friend's reaction OP. It's the same reaction everyone on this thread is having, and your husband (who you've somehow managed to stand up to and prevent him taking charge of it all, which if he's as angry as you say he would naturally want to do, to help you, so I agree with Skyler about you not being totally passive as a person). It's your reaction/action (or lack of) that's weird here OP. I can only put it down to some kind of odd shutting down as a bereavement reaction, causing you to not function normally at this time. The solicitor-friend has seen what everyone else can see, that someone needs to step in and take charge of this because you're incapable of doing so.

missmartha · 15/08/2023 16:10

When action needs to be taken it should be the right action and not some knee jerk reaction.

My solicitor friend offered to help. He didn't charge in and just take over, he was angry on my behalf and asked if he could help, he also knew the correct course of action and now we are getting somewhere.

I'm not sure what sort of man you think my husband is that I can 'stand up to him'. He and I have equal stakes in our relationship and he has been supportive throughout. Very angry on my behalf, but not to the extent that he would blunder in and upset things further.

OP posts:
BronwenFrideswide · 15/08/2023 16:16

I am pleased your solicitor is now involved @missmartha and I trust and hope he will sort it for you so you can be left to grieve as you should be without all this.

I am concerned to read though that this person won't relinquish the paperwork for you to go to get the Death Certificate on your own and, again, I hope your solicitor steps in here hard. This person does not need to go with you to register the death and to prevent you doing so by holding onto paperwork they have effectively plundered from your mother's house - how dare they intrude and do this it's despicable behaviour.

This person is neither decent, reasonable or moral.

I am sorry you have had this to contend with on top of the death of your mother.

Busubaba · 15/08/2023 16:51

@BronwenFrideswide

I completely agree. This woman has behaved despicably and knew full well that she could manipulate the situation to her benefit.

The op is grieving and the woman knew she would be vulnerable and not want any aggro.

I hope the solicitor is aware that the woman also duped the hospital by pretending to be the ops daughter and that would have made her privy to the ops mothers personal details and possibly in talks about different treatment with the doctors.

It's one of the few threads where I have actually felt angry in the ops behalf.

BreatheAndFocus · 15/08/2023 17:48

I’m glad there’s a solicitor involved now, OP. Such a stressful situation for you when you least need it.

First of all, I thought this woman was maybe a bit ‘deranged’ or upset or misled, but from your continuing revelations about her behaviour, I genuinely think this is malicious. Her reaction to you was disgusting. You say people at the hospital thought she was your mother’s daughter. Perhaps this is the crux of it. She resents you and has purposely insinuated her way into this situation, brazenly taking control of the house and contents, hiding the documents necessary for the death certificate, mocking you and pushing you out like a cuckoo in the nest.

I do hope you can get this sorted now. If she’s coming to the office to register the death, you at least know she won’t be at the house and can consider changing the locks and stopping her ever getting in there again.

deltablue · 16/08/2023 00:47

This is all too awful.

Xeren · 16/08/2023 14:45

To the injunction bit, she replied “oh goodie, I’ve never had one of those”.

Wow! She really doesn’t give a shit and doesn’t sound like someone grieving.

My guess is that she’s used to getting away acting like a cute elderly church going lady, but is a lot more calculating then she lets on.

I would take someone with me when I meet with her so you have a witness or even voice record her when you meet as evidence in case she lies about you after.

Good luck with everything and I hope you manage to get her out. Awful behaviour!

TheFormidableMrsC · 18/08/2023 22:08

This is an absolutely awful situation and I'm glad you're getting some additional support here OP. I'm so sorry you have lost your Mum and are having to deal with this horrible woman. She'll find another victim I'm sure.

Peridot1 · 19/08/2023 08:39

@missmartha - how are things now?

Beefcurtains79 · 29/08/2023 10:34

Hope you’ve turfed that bitch out on her arse by now OP. And I hope you are doing ok.

Monstertruckstwo · 03/09/2023 16:32

How are you doing OP?

Coulditreallybe · 29/10/2023 15:44

Really hope you’re ok @missmartha ?

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