Thread 28 Sunak : Lords, Ladies and Lame Ducks

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I was about to type similar Anxioys.
She shines brightly in a sea of dim.

Well, you know what they say about the one eyed man being king in the land of the blind. Compared with the competition she looks like Einstein.

Badenoch is ambitious and wants to be leader, but the idea she would be better than her predecessors is for the birds; simply because she would presumably be in opposition and the overall talent in the Conservative Party would be very small. One of the mistakes the Conservatives have made is to persuade themselves that they need a star leader and then rest falls into place. Actually what happens is you get a blunderer like Johnson and the C list.

Badenoch is part of the C list. I mean we are in danger of forgetting just how mediocre the current Cabinet is. They are the absolute arse end of the Conservatives

David Davis was on R4 this morning slagging off the home office. V funny.

I thought we were talking about Badenoch being Home Secretary, which she could easily be before the election. Especially if they keep dragging it out.

The Conservatives will be in opposition when they appoint their next leader, that appointment will come after a resounding rejection of the current government and a bitter leadership contest. History suggests (Tories post 1997, Labour post 2010) that it will be a while and several leaders before they sort themselves out and put forward a platform enough people will support and vote for.

Nobody with an ounce of intelligence would go near the tory party as it is today. Some still put on a good show of acting like they are, but the fact they are accepting of this utter shite shows they're not.

I think you’re confusing intelligence with moral decency. There are undoubtedly some excruciatingly stupid Tory MPs - most of the cabinet fall into this group because they’re Johnson survivors - but equally there are some brighter ones, like Badenoch.

If Badenoch has a brain she will avoid being Home Secretary because it is an impossible job. Very few actually manage it well. It's often the ideal place to put an opponent you despise because it often destroys them. May managed to survive it, few others do.

That’s a very good point. It’s 17 years since John Reid said the Home Office wasn’t fit for purpose and nothing much seems to have changed since then.

Dont hate me too much but I think Gove would have had a decent go at getting to grips with the Home Office. I think he really enjoyed his work even if I didnt like his politics. Johnson wouldn't apoint him because he couldnt afford to lose Patel and the ERG.

But it needs a 10-15 year plan, not a political hunger for immediate headlines.

Tbh I think May is partly responsible for some of the asylum seeker mess. This boats issue is in number terms quite small.

Obviously leaving the EU was mad; highly qualified workforce who contributed and could easily return to home country.

Now we have precise opposite which is Brexit for you. So when Lee Anderson starts chipping on about immigration and asylum all I can think is "you dug this hole yourself and then jumped in".

They are the absolute arse end of the Conservatives

Perfectly put!

I actually think you may have a point.

I'm not his biggest fan because of what he did to education.

But as far as Tory's go he's probably have been one of the better,ones.

The problem with the Tories is that they have booted out all the ones who were 1) morally halfway acceptable and 2)in possession of half a brain. We're really living with the dregs of the dregs now.

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Govey, Govey, Govey.

He does get things done in the departments he has been in. Whether he gets the right things done is of course a different question.

He is the one potential future next leader of the Conservatives with a chance of winning the election after next.

I think it's most likely that the election after next will be won by someone we have barely heard of yet. New broom and all that.

I find the prospect of them ever winning again profoundly depressing and sincerely hope they’re out for at least two terms.

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I’m sure one of them will do it eventually. There may be one or 2 ok Tory MPs who must see that the way back is to bring the party back closer to the centre and rebuild it once they are out of power. They’ll need to put themselves in the right position.

A Conservative MP. whose name I didn't catch - possibly the MP for the constituency that Portland is in was just on R4 Broadcasting House. He defended the barge, but criticised the decision to allow people on it before the legionella check results were back. And was fulsome in his criticism of the home office. Hahaha

It has gone very quiet on the 'stop the boats' week, both from the government and their supporters on here.

It was a bit of a death knell when 30p Lee admitted they were failing on immigration.

I think once they'd succeeded in stopping the wrong one it became less of an attractive PR stunt.

Even more so once it was revealed they'd not even waited for the test results before moving people onto it.

If anyone thought that Badenoch was some sort of political genius, then I encourage you to look at her latest initiative, the Lavatories Tsar.

I am gender critical but this is unbelievably timid and ridiculous as an announcement - and easily characterised as silly (when the underlying issue is not).