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Another fatal dog attack.

234 replies

Ostryga · 19/05/2023 15:58

A 37 year old man has lost his life to a ‘dangerously out of control’ dog and the owner has been arrested. The dog was put down.

How many more people have to lose their lives before something is done about out of control animals?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152

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Man, 37, dies in Leigh dog attack

A man has been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out of control dog.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152

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Aaron95 · 19/05/2023 16:03

Dogs kill approximately 5 people per year in the UK.

Cars kill approxmately 1,500 people per year in the UK.

How about we start with controlling cars first.

Sugarfree23 · 19/05/2023 16:05

It just seems that every other week someone is killed by a dog.
This is a 37 yo man, so presumably someone with reasonable strength and size to fight the dog off.

I do think if someone is killed or hurt by a dog the owner should be held to account.

Lovemusic33 · 19/05/2023 16:06

Aaron95 · 19/05/2023 16:03

Dogs kill approximately 5 people per year in the UK.

Cars kill approxmately 1,500 people per year in the UK.

How about we start with controlling cars first.

I think it’s more than 5 people since XL bull dogs have become more popular 😬. It’s rare for a dog to kill an adult but when people are jumping on the XL bully trend it’s going to happen more often, they are powerful dogs, why would anyone want a dog that can put power it’s owner?

Hobert · 19/05/2023 16:06

Aaron95 · 19/05/2023 16:03

Dogs kill approximately 5 people per year in the UK.

Cars kill approxmately 1,500 people per year in the UK.

How about we start with controlling cars first.

I'd be up for controlling both - your dog number is half the actual figure for last year though.

MintJulia · 19/05/2023 16:09

Aaron95 · 19/05/2023 16:03

Dogs kill approximately 5 people per year in the UK.

Cars kill approxmately 1,500 people per year in the UK.

How about we start with controlling cars first.

They've killed more than that this year and it's only May !

Lilacsbloominspring · 19/05/2023 16:09

I don’t know if anyone else has seen the end of Watership Down when Woundwort comes out of the burrow shouting ‘dogs aren’t dangerous’ as the dog appears with a dead rabbit in its jaws Shock

some of the posts on here are like that

‘cars! Ban cars!’
’it’s the breed!’

sigh

Oodlesofdoodlescockapoodles · 19/05/2023 16:12

Its not just about fatalities though is it? There have been several non fatal incidents as well. Something definitely needs to happen but hard to know what the solution is- its not as simple as just banning a breed is it, because another similar type will just take its place.

Lilacsbloominspring · 19/05/2023 16:14

its not as simple as just banning a breed

Its not but it is a start.

Brefugee · 19/05/2023 16:15

Aaron95 · 19/05/2023 16:03

Dogs kill approximately 5 people per year in the UK.

Cars kill approxmately 1,500 people per year in the UK.

How about we start with controlling cars first.

or, and here's a revolutionary idea: we could tackle both.

Because if it's the numbers, we'd have to say the paltry 2 women a week killed by an ex or current partner or family member also come a long way behind deaths by car. I mean if we're making a list and grading it on numbers, that would be sensible, right?

coxesorangepippin · 19/05/2023 16:16

Get rid of cars instead of dangerous dogs??

Aye that'll work

Brefugee · 19/05/2023 16:19

there are so many things that can be done to reduce the risk posed by dogs.

Licensing and chipping for starters. Compulsory - checks to be carried out, no licence, no chip? into the dog shelter for you.

Compulsory 3rd party insurance. Same applies: no insurance? dog gos to "pound" and after a fixed (short) amount of time (that the owner pays for in an ideal world) if they are not collected PTS.

Insurance companies are really shit hot at risk assessment. They will automatically be onto things like: has the owner previously owned dogs. Are they trained? etc etc

This will lead to an industry boom in dog training. Good for the economy!!!

off the top of my head.

ClaudiaWankleman · 19/05/2023 16:19

In context, I am not sure the country does have a dog problem that needs immediate attention. It's just that the events make good stories that papers and news outlets can get a lot of traction on. There are thousands of people affected by equally brutal violence in the UK every day, but it just doesn't draw in the crowds.

Lovemusic33 · 19/05/2023 16:21

12 people died last year from dog attacks, many more injured by dogs. Most of those deaths from bull breeds.
I have nothing against any breed of dog, have owned bull breeds myself (though wouldn’t own a larger bull breed) but these XL bull breeds are way too powerful for any person to control if they do attack. I do believe people should be banned from breeding them and people should have a licence to own one with conditions that the dogs muzzled when out of the house.

I have a neighbour who keeps German Shepherds, she has no control of them and they have attacked other dogs whilst she’s been walking them, I don’t understand why she would want such big dogs when she can not control them. She doesn’t walk them far and they probably lead a pretty miserable life because she can’t control them when out. There are several breeds that I wouldn’t keep due to not being big enough or strong enough to control them.

BethDuttonsTwin · 19/05/2023 16:22

I’ve said this before, if we can set up a functioning, efficient system, with wardens patrolling the streets in order to control parking, we can do the same with dogs! There’s no will for it though.

Please note I am dog obsessed, used to work with them and have had a dog of my own almost all my life.

Aaron95 · 19/05/2023 16:22

MintJulia · 19/05/2023 16:09

They've killed more than that this year and it's only May !

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If that is the case then this year is an anomaly. From 2001 - 2021 the average was 3.3.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033350622003523

Lilacsbloominspring · 19/05/2023 16:23

It’s not an anomaly, it’s directly linked to the popularity of XL Bullies.

Lovemusic33 · 19/05/2023 16:26

Lilacsbloominspring · 19/05/2023 16:23

It’s not an anomaly, it’s directly linked to the popularity of XL Bullies.

Exactly this. Apparently dog attacks were slightly higher during lockdown due to dogs not being exercised. But the XL bull dog trend is the main reason last year numbers were so high. People want them as they are the closest to a pittbull you can get, a status dog Sad, people should not be allowed to buy these dogs.

MintJulia · 19/05/2023 16:30

Brefugee · 19/05/2023 16:19

there are so many things that can be done to reduce the risk posed by dogs.

Licensing and chipping for starters. Compulsory - checks to be carried out, no licence, no chip? into the dog shelter for you.

Compulsory 3rd party insurance. Same applies: no insurance? dog gos to "pound" and after a fixed (short) amount of time (that the owner pays for in an ideal world) if they are not collected PTS.

Insurance companies are really shit hot at risk assessment. They will automatically be onto things like: has the owner previously owned dogs. Are they trained? etc etc

This will lead to an industry boom in dog training. Good for the economy!!!

off the top of my head.

All of this.

waterlego · 19/05/2023 16:31

@Lovemusic33 has nailed it. Nobody should own a dog which they are not physically capable of restraining or removing from a situation. Whilst some dog breeds may be more prone to aggression than others, ANY dog is capable of behaving in an unpredictable way if they are spooked or frightened by something. It is absolutely essential that whoever is handling the dog is strong and agile enough to control the dog if it loses control. XL Bullies are often too big and strong for even a fit and young man to control. People should not be able to keep them as pets, just as gorillas and bears would also not make suitable pets.

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Redebs · 19/05/2023 16:33

Aaron95 · 19/05/2023 16:03

Dogs kill approximately 5 people per year in the UK.

Cars kill approxmately 1,500 people per year in the UK.

How about we start with controlling cars first.

There are more than that.
And what about all the kids with faces ripped and other parts of their anatomy damaged? As well as the pet dogs ripped up in the street in front of their owners? Or Asian women terrified to go out on the streets because lads set dogs on them? Or families where the man of the house threatens them with his big dog if they step out if line?

MintJulia · 19/05/2023 16:34

@Aaron95 It was ten in the U.K. in 2022.

Does it being an anomaly make it ok then ? 🙄

Simonlebonbon · 19/05/2023 16:38

I hate the idea that healthy dogs should be destroyed but I really don't understand how the fuck we can keep them in society.

My mother was knocked over the other week by a playful large bull breed dog and she's still on crutches.
If the dog had been an xl bully it may have killed her.

I have friends who own them and they're good owners but the dogs themselves are showing signs of aggression even with being trained/neutered.

I'd rather we lost the xl bullys than the amount of defenceless kids were inevitably going to see the death of if I'm honest, but that view makes you a social outcast dog hating witch.

gymorgin · 19/05/2023 16:38

9 month baby also injured by dog in West Sussex

metro.co.uk/2023/05/19/nine-month-old-baby-seriously-injured-in-dog-attack-18812623/

Redebs · 19/05/2023 16:39

This is not ok

Another fatal dog attack.