Another fatal dog attack.

[Ostryga]

A 37 year old man has lost his life to a ‘dangerously out of control’ dog and the owner has been arrested. The dog was put down.

How many more people have to lose their lives before something is done about out of control animals?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152

Maybe it was a greyhound, cockerpoo, spaniel etc 🤔

I actually love you for that quote

And the dogs are being bred and walked and trained by a human. There's the start of the issue. Bloody humans!

Very true. But the dog haters love their chance to froth . They have little else to do bless them.

@wurtle.. Because it makes the owner feel good, he may as well have an ak47 slung over hid shoulder without a safety catch on.

The iwner will also not care if the dog attacks and if it did maul and kill a baby what's the consequences?

So many people rushed to say that on the thread after the dog walker with eight dogs was killed - it was the dachshunds, they all said! Any dog can be dangerous! Chihuahuas are vicious etc etc like they always do. And of course, as we all knew was inevitable, it turns out that it was the XL bully (her own dog) that killed her, not the others. Because it's always bull breeds killing people, every time.

@AlwaysGinPlease

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I absolutely adore good dogs but I would be very reluctant to ever get one again because of the selfish owners out there of dangerous dogs.

I classify dangerous dogs as ones with huge Jaws, probably hunting background with no proper training. Well trained dogs rarely react to other dogs or stimulation and they obey instantly.

I love animals but sadly I think there are specific breeds of dog that just shouldn't be available as pets. They are not safe to be out in the world in that capacity at all. They should only be used as working dogs of some description, by people specifically qualified to handle them.

As someone else said, it's not just the fatalities. It's also all the people who suffer injuries, often life-changing, as a result of these attacks.

There is a woman I've seen on Youtube called Brooklinn Khoury who has suffered life-changing facial injuries. The dog that attacked her was a bully breed dog owned by a family member. The dog seemed fine and hadn't ever been violent before. It ripped off her upper lip and nose, and she has had to undergo extensive surgeries to rebuild her face.

I don't blame the dogs themselves ofc. They are insanely strong and powerful and shouldn't be out in the world mixing with regular untrained people.

Can you not see that being upset about a dog attack doesn't equate to being a 'dog hater' nor is it 'frothing'

I'm upset about rape. Doesn't mean I'm a man-hater or human-hater or that I'm frothing

So maybe you could fuck off with your patronising post which minimises people being concerned about deaths as 'frothing'

I don't blame the dogs themselves at all. They don't ask to be irresponsibly bred and sold to ill-equipped and unprepared irresponsible owners.

I don't like dogs but PIL have a reactive labrador. They have a lead that goes around his jaws and they also keep the dog under control all the time. I am ok with that but not with dogs running free and being 'friendly'.

But this simply cannot be! Thread after thread we’re told the only people bothered by this are ‘dog haters’ and ‘anti-dog’ frothers.

I have to say that I immediately discount anything a poster says if I see one of those daft overly-emotive terms. There really is not some great anti-dog movement mobilising.

I didn't used to see the point of a dog licencing scheme.

I now think all dogs should be chipped, registered to their owner like a car, if the dog attacks the owner is 100% responsible.

Police should be able to check details randomly unchipped dogs removed and put down.
Just the same as they'd crush a cloned car.

Selling a dangerous dog on should also be a criminal offence. How often do we read a dog attacked and the new owners bought it from Facebook or wherever.
If a dog is dangerous and you want rid get it put down don't move it on to someone else.

Absolutely. Most abused dogs will snap at some point. If they happen to be big and powerful , the damage is obviously worse.

They are let down by the humans that bring them into the world and then whichever low life gets them. There are no bad dogs , just bad people that make them attack. They are usually abused, neglected, so many massive dogs in tiny council houses with little or no training or exercise.

I only wish these dogs would attack and kill those responsible for their misery.

if the dog attacks the owner is 100% responsible

This doesn’t work for two reasons.

Firstly, a lot of the recent cases have been the owners of the dogs who lost their lives.

Secondly, the owners often don’t care about being responsible. I’m not going to bother beating around the bush here, a lot of them
get the dogs in the first place either to attack or as defence. What’s the punishment? A fine? They don’t care. They don’t care about community service or even a short jail term. They really don’t.

Thats why you have to have something that clearly states - no, you actually cannot have this breed.

I love dogs, owned them all of my life but I do think there's a problem. What to do about it though?

I'm not convinced by breed bans, the type of people that want a large intimidating breed will just side step legislation ie Pitbull becomes XL bully.

It's also not right to impose restrictions and further expense on all dog owners because of some irresponsible owners.

Licensing might help but all responsible owners already have their dogs chipped (by law) so every responsible owner can be identified and address obtained from their dog at any time.

The large majority also have insurance, largely because of the cost of vet fees but it always includes 3rd party liability.

I guess you could make training compulsory and responsible owners would comply (in my case begrudgingly because I know how to train my dogs and wouldnt like having to pay a private company conjured up out of thin air by the mate of some Gov minister).

The real question is how many owners of dogs that have killed would people consider to be responsible owners?

Personally I think I'd try putting the penalties for having a dog dangerously out of control through the roof. Fines for no chips, serious prison time for attacks.

Indeed!

Why don't we see thread after thread calling for knife crime to be tackled which accounts for almost 100 times more deaths?

Or cows for that matter, who kill a similar number to dogs?

I disagree because what breeds would you ban?

All bull breeds?

My dog is a bull breed and she’s lovely, so are the majority of the others.

What about Rottweilers, boxers, akitas, Dobermans and German shepherds?

Which all used to be the status dogs and when they were they were the breed that everyone wanted banned.

What about collies or huskies that are known to be more aggressive than other breeds.

What about the jack Russell’s, Yorkshire terriers and chihuahuas that attack for no reason?

I don’t think any breed should be banned but I do think there should be tighter rules on owning a dog (or any animal).

A pet should be a privilege and you should prove that you are a good and responsible owner by getting a license or something to own a dog.

I also think neutering should be mandatory unless you get a breeding license and you must get regular checks.

We have way too many dogs in this country and too many end up in rescue centres or passed around from owner to owner.

My brothers dog is a staffy and had 12 different owners by the time she was 18 months and he bought her for £5 and a pint at a pub as the new owner didn’t want her anymore and was asking random people if they wanted her and to take her there and then and so my DB was worried who she’d end up with.

I’m not saying all dog attacks are down to bad owners but they usually are and that needs sorting out.

Instead of banning breeds, let’s ban people from owning dogs unless they can look after them properly.

More info here;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11701035/How-dog-attacks-area-Interactive-map-shares-fatalities-2020.html

I have heard that certain benefit claimants with addiction/MH issues are given money every week so they can have a dog, is this true ?

I’d ban XL Bullies, @TeaParty4Me . When Yorkshire terriers have killed eight people in the last two years then absolutely we can talk about banning them. Is that going to happen?

Sounds like a Daily Fail story but an FOI request to the DWP says no claiments cannot.

I guess it's possible some MH charities might in certain circumstances though I doubt they'd happily fund a smackheads XL Bully

Am i the only person with no clue what an XL Bully is?

Have a look on Google images and you’ll see what horrible beasts they are!

See I think something does need to be done but the answer is not just another knee jerk ban a breed.

The irresponsible owners (and make no mistake these are irresponsible owners) will just get a different type of dog and the same issues will repeat.

I accept that a Jack Russell (for example) isn't going to do the same level of damage as a XL Bully, but there is a a whole raft of dogs in between these two extremes that have the potential to become part of the "ban the breed" lobby because irresponsible people choose to own them.

There is clearly a section of people who choose breeds that can hurt precisely because they look intimidating. These dickheads should not be allowed dogs, but its also clear that these people will not really give a toss about the rules.

Then there is a section of people who are part of the problem is people who are part of the problem don't think they are irresponsible owners.

• buying a dog off facebook / preloved / gumtree / etc is irresponsible
• buying a puppy from someone who has not health tested their dogs and put alot of thought into bitch / stud is irresponsible
• allowing your kids / your kids friends to play with a dog unsupervised is irresponsible
• allowing your kids to climb all over a dog in the name of cute photos is irresponsible
• not training (or working on training (or putting safety measures in place whilst training) your dog is irresponsible. I include the little yappy dogs that everyone thinks is hilarious barking all over the place and the he's just friendly brigade in this too.

Responsible owners will comply with whatever measures are put in place

Dickheads will ignore the measures

Irresponsible owners will just come up with excuses