Another fatal dog attack.

[Ostryga]

A 37 year old man has lost his life to a ‘dangerously out of control’ dog and the owner has been arrested. The dog was put down.

How many more people have to lose their lives before something is done about out of control animals?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152

Bully. What a fitting name.

There is no point to these threads because sensible people know that certain breeds should be banned and that dog ownership needs to be tightly controlled, while all the fur baby apologists will do anything to allow idiots to own dangerous animals.

This ^^

I don't hate dogs BTW.

I agree 100% with banning the breed. I'd also say that all new breeds should be banned until it can be established they are not inherently dangerous. So they are banned until they are not, rather than they are not banned until they have killed people.

@BlueMongoose 100 percent yes!!

@IamAlso4eels did you report what happened to the police at all?

There’s been a lot of focus on what social media companies can do for various issues but I’ve never heard it proposed in the media to ban the sale of dogs on these platforms. It seems so irresponsible to allow the sale of what could be and have been dangerous animals on such platforms.

That's given me horrible flashbacks. That film should be banned.

https://apple.news/AX-jd81meRtmltvLrxgUiLQ

Can I ask a question? IS this about a particular dog breed or is this about incompetent/irresponsible owners?

i have a large puppy, I’m extremely strong, my husband even stronger. Puppy is a breed known to pull. We’re taking him to training, have a gentle leader/halti lead to counter the pulling. We’re getting there

however, if we didn’t do this it’s a case of if he sees something he wants to go and look at he’s hard to hold.

that’s on me to fix.

surely there are no Bad Dogs, only poorly trained/managed dogs.

It’s 100% the owners. However even well -intentioned owners with huge bully breeds do not have the strength to stop the dog. The dog is probably playing, but the bite and head shake will kill. And no human no matter how strong they are are able to open their jaws. Their bite strength is incredible.

Dogs that are stronger than their owner should all be muzzled when out. And no one should be getting huge powerful dogs with children in the house.

I’m so so fed up of seeing this.

’it’s not the breed! It’s irresponsible owners!’

No, it really isn’t. Irresponsible owners are a problem, but if it really was ‘just’ the case of owners being irresponsible, we’d be seeing any number of deaths from all large breeds. It’s like claiming a minnow is as lethal as a great white shark FFS. It honestly is so, so stupid as a statement.

They are fighting dogs. They have killed grown men. It’s not as if some poor defenceless baby has been attacked in a pram, they are incredibly dangerous and even in the hands of a responsible owner if they turn there is fuck all that owner can do.

If you find him hard to hold now he is a pup then you need to get rid.

You can train, train, train away but the nature will always be there and can show at anytime.

If you cannot outstrength the fully grown version (when you are older too) then it's not the dog for you.
Out of curiosity what was your plan for when it's older? Just rely on it doing what it's told?

The elephant in the room. THE OWNER.
The vast majority of these dogs are owned by a certain type of person in certain areas.

There is the starting point, the druggies/dealers/wannabe hardmen.

Unless it becomes a rescue dog and a dog lover who will train, insure, and be responsible becomes its owner, we know exactly who gets these dogs in the first instance.
Deal with the human who wants these dogs first. If it's not this breed, it will be another. The common denominator is the human.

Oh bless.

Why do you want such a powerful dog?

Yes but they never found them so nothing came of it.

Great. So what do we do about that? It’s much harder to solve these issues than simply prevent anyone getting their hands on these dogs in the first place. This is exactly the same argument as ‘guns don’t kill people, people kill people’, which is all well and good but guns do have a reliable habit of ending up in the hands of people who kill people.

This goes back to the terrible car argument at the beginning of the thread. We’re dependent on cars so the best we can do is improve roads, train drivers, insist on insurance and penalise people who break the rules, all in the knowledge that we can only reduce but not eliminate serious accidents. This is the balance we have with road safety because banning cars is not viable. On the other hand, society does not benefit from individuals having access to guns and dangerous animals so in this case there is no need to dream up complex, expensive and hard to police ways of mitigating the risk - prevent ownership in the first place.

@MzHz
Can I ask a question? IS this about a particular dog breed or is this about incompetent/irresponsible owners?

It's first and foremost genetics. Dogs are preditors. The dogs that we are talking about are selected for their attacck and fighting abilities.

The bite strengh on the jaw and locking in is to ensure that the pray (often bigger) does not get away.

There are many types of dogs/ breeds with this ability- sadly the bull breeds have been singled out by a certain type of person.
In the past, these dogs had a serious job, to protect land or even in warfare ...

Just look on here how many people have greyhounds. The majority can't live with cats and many can't be walked off lead unless in an enclosed space. That's because they are programmed to chaise small fat moving furries. Same thing, pure and simple genetics.

These arseholes will move on to a different breed and a few short years same problem different dog. Ban dogs they will get a boa constrictor if they think it makes them look tough! These people do not care about laws.
I agree with licensing, registration, training, insurance, and vet registration, but these types of people don't.

I would put good money on the revolving door of courts is part of their lives. We need an effective judicial system. Removal of all dogs pets from homes as part of punishment. Effective prison sentences, prison works, its not being in them and releasing when they are, that causes problems, SS involvement if there are children in homes of criminals as routine.
Funding and resources to do it are needed, but until it affects Joe Bloggs MP, and his kid is killed, nothing will happen, and MN will continue to froth.
I say this as a dog owner who every weekend is out at dog club activities/ training. I have a strong, large dog. ( not bully breed) . I spend time and money on my dog training. Even though she is now an adult, we still do classes every week and will continue to do so.

@70sTomboy I think if banning is to have a chance then the law needs to be more agile and not wait for multiple serious attacks each time. It would also surely be better to ban/restrict ownership of dogs with particular combinations of characteristics rather than creating a loophole whereby a specific breed is banned and so breeders get to work on the next aggressive status dog.

Of course this isn’t going to make all dangerous animal-related issues disappear, but it’s far easier to action than ‘fix the justice system’ and will have more immediate tangible benefits. Improving the justice system obviously must be an aim too, but it is an infinitely more complex problem.

I don’t think it’s either or in terms of is it the breed or owner. You can deal with both issues.

Also while obviously the training and upbringing of a dog matters a lot it’s not 100% effective -just like you get humans who have good upbringings who become violent there will be some dogs who are the same. And certain breeds are more prone to it.

I disagree.

We have gun dog group dogs. They have been bred to be around people, to be biddable, to have a soft mouth. They don't have the genetic disposition to attack. The random few probably have but you are talking about bully dogs that have been bred to attack. It's both factors.

@70sTomboy in what way is it the elephant in the room? All you ever hear is its not the dog it's the owner.
In truth it is both.

A car is for the vast majority, a necessity, its also licenced tested and insured, a dog is none of these and big aggressive dog is definitely not a benefit to any normal person.

Dogs put around 20,000 into AE/Hospital

Controlling dogs is an easy win, licences, training and insurance, licencing will also pay for many more dog wardens.