Another fatal dog attack.

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A 37 year old man has lost his life to a ‘dangerously out of control’ dog and the owner has been arrested. The dog was put down.

How many more people have to lose their lives before something is done about out of control animals?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152

This latest attack is reported as a banned breed, so banning obviously worked well there.
I'm not sure what the answer is, to be honest.

We eat pigs and cows and horses pull carts etc, so they do serve a purpose. Pet dogs serve no purpose. They are a nuisance and consume resources.

Do they not mean isolated as in the dog attacked one person, and not the dog was involved in multiple attacks or it was nothing to do with any other dogs?

Not that dogs killing people are vary rare.

The government do need to do something. Dogs killing people is becoming far to common

Pet dogs do serve a purpose. They help with mental health and lowering stress levels, they encourage people to go out and exercise, they help people to meet other people and make friends. They can also be trained to help people in physical/mental crisis. There is a reason that humans and dogs have evolved together.

There will be robot dogs soon that can be used as guide dogs. I guess people could also take the robot dogs for walks as well.

They will be far cheaper than real dogs, maybe not to buy but you won't have to buy them food or take them to the vets and they will last longer than real dogs. And they won't attack and kill people or shit on the pavement.

Unlikely. They would cost way more than most people could afford and would last 3-5 years as their software would become obsolete. They would also have monthly subscriptions so that it won't do some of the basic things without it and would be easy to break as all robots are easy to break if you are rough with them. It costs a fortune to have a phone screen replaced, imagine how much it would cost to repair a leg or the eyes or even the back of it. You may not have to feed them, but you would have to WD-40 them frequently and have issues when the weather is too hot (overheating), cold (batteries won't hold charge) or rainy (rust and other water damage issues).

The legislation bans any dog that is dangerously out of control and also 4 specific breeds so we don’t know whether it was one of the breeds or just a dangerous dog. Most recent deaths have been as a result of an attack from a breed that is not named in the legislation. People are still being prosecuted under the dangerous dogs act though. There has been an explosion in breeding huge bully type dogs as status symbols among certain sections of society mainly, people who haven’t got control or any understanding of what these dogs are capable of and it’s this that needs to be addressed.

@Nonchalent the BBC article says charged with owning a banned breed and a dog dangerously out of control.

Any dog out on control doesn't automatically become a banned breed

Any uncontrollable dog should be put down on the spot. IE the police see a dog off it's lead, tell the owner to call it back to them, if the dog doesn't immediately return, shoot it.

Well, it seems that these particular breed of dogs have missed the memo. Perhaps we should revisit this and look up which dogs we are going to allowed to be bred. I strongly believe all breeding should be licensed. I don’t care with you produce in one litter or 50. Your house needs to be inspected. And if like my ex friend you live in a shitty two bedroom council house with no yard and you have three children in there already you should be refused a license to breed from three German shepherds.

The implication that these incidents are always a tragic mistake. I’m sorry is absolute bloody nonsense. It’s lack of critical thinking from people without a brain.

I can accept that but the definition says something like any dog bred for fighting so I guess my thought process when down that path.

Banned or not, my original point is that too many of these attacks seem to be happening and irresponsible owners of animals that they have no control over seems to be on the rise and it should be tackled in some way before more people get hurt.

Absolutely agree

BBC website says suspected banned breed.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-65797191

@Nonchalent that I do agree with but how it's achieved I have no idea.

Simply banning a breed doesn't work. Responsible dog owners will comply but most of these attacks are from a certain type of owner, who will simply not.

If XL bullies end up banned, the idiot owners will move onto another breed and so on. These people don't have dogs because they love dogs and want to raise a well trained, well socialised one.

They have them to show off and intimidate, look tough etc. They ruined the reputation of staffies, then started crossing them with bigger dogs and now they've moved on again.

Just crack down on it. If you jail people for having dangerous or banned dogs, they can't breed or own dangerous dogs while in prison. And it will deter a lot of others if they know that owning a devil dog could lead to serving serious prison time.

@Chesneyhawkes1 totally understand your point and agree it’s a complex picture that won’t be solved by legislation alone but I’m also wondering why people want these huge dogs that the average human struggles to control just purely from a physical strength perspective.

It’s not rocket science to me - they’re not domestic pets if people cannot fully exert physical control. The ones I have seen running around my local park, I am doubtful that even a responsible owner would be able to intervene from a size and strength perspective if the dog turns.

I just don’t think that’s ok to put us all at risk. I appreciate my judgment can’t be objective having just lost someone to a dog attack but I was scared of these huge dogs before and now understandably I think, I cant be around them and I won’t have my kids around them.

@Nonchalent I'm not sure either. I have a bull breed. A rescue. Staffy x. He weighs 30kg. So if I need to, I can of course over power him. Thankfully in the 12 years since I adopted him, he's never showed a hint of aggression apart from when I was being attacked.

I adopted him as I love his face and his sad little backstory. He actually looked small on the fb photos, but when I went to meet him he was a big boy. He's been the most loyal and loving boy and got me through a lot of tough times.

If he weighed 60kg plus I'd have no hope of controlling him if he didn't want me to.

But then I don't own him to scare or intimidate people. I had no children at the time I got him. I still don't but do have a stepson now. I'd never leave them unattended together.

I had an XL bully break into my house not so long ago. Smashed a hole through the fence, the back door was open and in it came. Thankfully she was a friendly girl towards me and my dogs - but it did give me a shock when I found her in the kitchen! She was huge and her size and power was off putting.

I did think for a second, if she attacks my dogs and I try to help them, I'll get hurt. The man who owns her sells drugs, say no more 🤦‍♀️

I'm so sorry for your loss.

You confiscate the dogs that’s how you stop the breeding and I’m sorry but you put them to sleep. You ban the advertising of these animals so that the general stupid public can’t find them. You are then left with the underground world of dog breeding. When you find those animals, it’s like a drugs raid you remove them from the supply chain instantly and dispose of them. Which then drives the price of them out of the reach of your average pillock.

obviously you’re still going to get these dogs just as you gonna have people with guns but when you find them you’ll know that their intentions were not to have a snuggle on the sofa on a Saturday night.

Another dog attack

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12158271/Boy-11-left-injuries-savaged-dog-Manchester-police-arrest-woman.html

Unfortunately a very little amount of people actually care. The dog lunatics shout the loudest in range and indignation that their mutts are not the centre of the world- it drowns out reasonable conversation and valid safety concerns particularly in regards to children who are entirely blamed for being hurt or kill as they 'obviously did something wrong and provoked the poor doggo.'

This is so, so terrible. Those creatures need proper owners. Rough owners create rough animals. It's really, really bad to see. I think the issue is more prevalent on council estates, with those staffies and bulldogs.

FIL had a horrendous experience with a lab - I always thought them sweet-natured, but you can never tell.

It's all about the owners.

It feels like way more than 5. Feels like I see a new thread once a week featuring another dog attack at the moment. Not all fatal mind you, but life changing injuries if not.

Yesterday I saw a man walking two dogs together, one was a collie type dog and the other was a bully xl! In the 30 or so seconds it took for me and the guy to walk past each other (with me and my dcs way over on the other side of the road) I saw the bully xl lurch at two other dogs! It wasn’t muzzled! The strong looking guy who was holding the rope had a hard time pulling it back in!
These bully xl dogs shouldn’t exist! Completely dangerous!!

Is it always all about the owners or could it be that dogs are wild animals and regardless of being domesticated they will still behave true to nature? Shit owners are definitely a cause for attack but all dogs by nature attack and will return to their natural drives at will.

Horrible creatures

What are we at not 5/6 deaths plus a good few more horrific but survived attacks by the 5th day of the 6th months of the year.

It’s certainly an issue that’s getting worse.