Another fatal dog attack.

[Ostryga]

A 37 year old man has lost his life to a ‘dangerously out of control’ dog and the owner has been arrested. The dog was put down.

How many more people have to lose their lives before something is done about out of control animals?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152

We already have licences for breeders in place.
It's nearly impossible to breed & sell dogs in the official way...
But if you look at the majority of people who own XL bully dogs, you also know that they are an extension of their ego. Thy give a shit about the law or the "right way" to breed a dog .

@Misspacorabanne

it doesn't work.

they just breed variations and we have a new breed that people want banned.

at one time German Shepards were the breed people want banned, look now, we still have a gorgeous breed of dog that's a family pet because fuckwits no longer see them as the status symbol.

if anything is going to be euthanised or banned, make it the utter cunts that train the dogs to fight & be aggressive.

I love dogs, like literally more than I like most people, but these XL bully's are terrifying. On a walk tonight we had 4 dogs between us, 3 big dogs and 1 medium, breeds that some people might be nervous around so always on leads. We encountered one of these creatures dragging a woman down the road, muzzled up but the fucking size of it, none of our dogs not even all 4 together could have saved us or them from this thing, tbh it looked disgusting. And naturally (this gets judgemental now) the woman concerned was a dyed hair, facially pierced, tattooed slapped in the face with a frying pan type. And I do understand they get them to cover their inadequacies, but Jesus why would you want that in your home? It's like Americans and their guns, all the idiots own them

I used to live in Westleigh, it's a shithole and truly unsurprising that these type of dogs with these type of nobhead owners are there.

Its not just about fatalities though is it? There have been several non fatal incidents as well
Exactly. The situation is out of control. My own 6 month old baby (now almost 3) was attacked by a dog while he was sitting in his pram at a playground! I had to wrestle the nasty thing off him!

Well, it’s clear that dog fanatics will find any and every excuse to justify people being attacked/killed by dogs.
firstly, just because we have “only “ had 5/10 deaths caused by dogs it doesn’t mean it’s an issue that doesn’t need to be addressed- even 1 person attacked/killed, is 1 person too many.
secondly, someone mentioned up thead that knife crime kills and why aren’t we speaking about it more- people are. Again just because knife crime kills, it does not mean we should just ignore the raining issue with dogs.
I think we as humans are pretty evolved and can address and attempt to resolve several issues at the same time.
to all the people who keep making excuses for dangerous dogs, I hope you or people around you never become victims.
I have the miss fortune of being very close to an XL who was not on a lead and decided to go through my shopping bags while the owner looked high/ drunk. It was not a very pleasant experience and I had to remain very calm.
I cannot what could have happened if my 5 year old was around. They are absolutely beastly and seem to always be matched to the wrong owner- either too frail to control it or spaced out/ can’t be arsed.

i keep seeing more dogs everywhere and owner not very concerned about controlling their dogs or just letting their dogs go wherever it feels like- keep your pouch away from me.

im sorry to the poster who’s relative has just lost his life in the dog attack.

unfortunately I think it will be us sensible people who will have to have trading on how to defend ourselves during an attack since it seems peers cba. Any dog trainers and with tips etc?

Shall we see in the fullness of time? Oh no wait, we don't need to, because it will be, as always, an XL Bully living in an inappropriate environment and owned by an inexperienced owner, probably in an area of high deprivation.

Honestly I avoid our local woods due to off lead dogs. I drill into Dd that if she’s see an off lead dog she has to come straight to me.

It’s not dramatic, it’s not being overly cautious, it’s literally life and death now.

As @Nonchalent said if one of these dogs gets hold of you there is nothing you can do. They will kill.

Personally I’d bring in permits for dog ownership. There would be different levels of permit based on personal circumstances and ability to care for the dog you want. Dogs would be graded and you’d only be allowed to own certain breeds if you were deemed competent.

It would cost enough to ensure anyone wanting a permit would have to give serious thought to it. The cost would also include third party insurance.

There would be a public record of all dog owners and the type of dog they were licensed for. There would also be random inspections of homes on the register to check compliance.

Anyone caught selling a dog to someone without the necessary documentation would incur a hefty fine for the first offence, rising substantially for any subsequent breach. Anyone caught owning a dog they shouldn’t have would be fined and the dog seized and destroyed.

Oh and I’m a dog owner who sees far too many utter arseholes with unsuitable dogs with absolutely no idea how to look after them.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-mauled-american-bulldog-horror-28959991.amp

This one not so cute but apparently fine to take an animal like this in public, unleashed and unmuzzled.

Deaths by dog may be on the low side compared to cars which are necessary for many in society to function for earn money, food shopping, hospital visits (ridiculous comparison!) but there are also non fatal fog attacks 8,655 hospital admissions in 2021/2022 and probably hundreds of thousands more home or GP treated. I’m sure there are things banned for much less due to being hazardous for public safety.

@Nonchalent so sorry for your family’s loss.

This. Humans are the biggest killers.

A relative of the person that died is on this thread. I’d suggest you a) rtft and b)have some fucking compassion.

I don’t think it’s not compassionate to say that humans kill more than dogs do as it’s fact.

I’m sure there are relatives that will find your thread very insensitive, especially if posters put blame on the person who died.

That might be the most stupid thing I've ever read!!

We need cars, we certainly don't need dogs that are capable of killing adult men! At least come up with a sensible reply!

Wonder what the odds are on it being yet another fucking XL Bully. In other words a bastard Pit Bull type owned by yet another twat. In other words an illegal dog and it's dick owner making a joke of our legal system. Again.

I don’t think any breed should be banned as the ‘dangerous’ breed changes every few years and banning them actually creates status dogs because some people get them so they can look hard and what better way to do it than having a banned breed or one that’s very similar.

I do think we need to have way stricter rules and laws though and certain breeds like bull breeds, huskies and collies etc should only go to experienced homes.

@Callibracea it’s already been confirmed as a American bully xl.

Humans are the people in charge of the dogs that kill. They should be done for murder, or maybe a separate crime is required bit like Causing death by dangerous driving, Causing death by irresponsible dog ownership

Sensible ideas.

I'd like to add:

• restrictions on the sale of dogs and puppies, they should only be available from approved/licensed breeders or kennels (and the details of the breeder/kennel should be recorded on the chip alongside owner details to show the dog came from an approved source). Unregulated internet sales of live animals should be banned.

• limits on how many dogs you can own without being licensed

• laws around minimum space requirements in relation to the size of the dog you have so large breeds wouldn't be allowed in small properties

• dogs over a certain size/bite capability can only be owned by licensed people who have shown via a self-funded training course that they have capacity to meet the dogs training and care needs

• give dog wardens, police, RSPCA, shelters, etc increased authority to spot check dogs, follow up on reports of potentially dangerous dogs, and seize any dogs not in compliance with the laws

It could be funded by the license fees. I know people will argue that the irresponsible dog owners will still just get dangerous dogs from Gumtree or wherever and won't get them licensed or chipped, however it makes it more difficult for them. Some irresponsible owners will decide it's a risk too far so will decide against getting a dog, people will report owners they know aren't following the rules and removing those dogs will help reduce the numbers. There will always be irresponsible, unlicensed people - you'll never get the number to zero (just like with cars) - but the point is to make it difficult for them to get away with it and to reduce the numbers.

Treat dogs like guns. Treat dog dealers like arms dealers. It's time to wean this country off dogs.

We should all be lobbying our MPs for action to prevent these deaths. There seems to be only one active petition relevant : https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/631449

I will be writing to my MP directly as well. If someone knows an organisation that deals with this, I'd be also interested.

I’d put them on the banned list

‘Crotch goblins’ really is a gross phrase

I agree with you btw

My dog was attacked last year by an off-lead XL Bully, my dog was on-lead and walking next to me. There was no warning, no growling or anything like that. It ran up and grabbed my medium-sized dog by the head/face. The owner could t understand why, kept saying he'd never done anything like that before. Fucking thing would not let go despite me kicking it full belt and it's owner trying to prise it's jaws open while my poor dog screamed and fought to get free. Owner ended up with their hands badly bitten and bleeding, my dog had open bites on their face and this bastard of a dog kept trying to go for my dog even after we'd gotten them apart. The owner was lying on it with their whole body and still couldn't fully restrain it, by the time we got out of the gate of the field it was loose again.

There is no need for them.

Well said.

How much worse does this bloody dogs situation have to get.

There was an XL bully in my puppy class recently, the rest were gun dog type dogs. The bully couldn't do a thing the others could do by the end and the owner was clueless.