Family missing with newborn....

[ChocChocYum]

www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

And how often do these chaotic lifestyle/neglect issues occur without there being any substance misuse issues at play?

Have the police found where they were camping yet?

Its not hard to find drugs in Brighton if you have money

True, but it is the rapid moving around combined with needing a constant supply of drugs, and the need to find a new dealer in each area rapidly. Not impossible, but it would certainly make moving rapidly from area to area much harder and less appealing if there were illegal drugs in the mix.

And how often do these chaotic lifestyle/neglect issues occur without there being any substance misuse issues at play?

I don't have statistics to hand, but I imagine they're almost always comorbid with something else - but not necessarily substance misuse. That something else could easily be mental health issues and / or coercive control.

For instance, if MG had MH issues that made him act irrationally and was also exerting coercive control over CM to ensure she acted alongside him. I wonder if, secondary to all this, CM also has a bit of a saviour complex; she knows he isn't well and thinks she's the only one who can help him (either through sheer love and willpower, or because he won't accept outside help).

It's also worth noting that coercive control is a form of domestic abuse, and domestic abuse can he the sole reason for removal in some cases.

If they have, they're not telling the public.

Here's the most recent BBC story

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64808412

which includes extract's from the police statement yesterday about what they want the public to do:

"He said: "I'd also ask people living in these areas to report any suspicious behaviour or items found in their gardens, outbuildings and sheds, between then and now.
"Equally if you are out walking in these areas and you discover something you think we should know about, please don't hesitate to contact us, no matter how insignificant it may seem."

And recaps the times/dates and places where there had been sightings of them since the time they disappeared.

I can’t see any way that the poor baby has survived.
I do believe the mother is under coercive control but also wonder about her capacity to make safe decisions about her baby.
Whatever the result the poor baby is, at least, a victim of (possibly wilful), neglect or, more likely hasn’t survived and the parents are guilty of manslaughter.
If the baby were safe somewhere with an adult, surely they would have come forward by now.
This is all a horribly sad sequence of events.
The parents certainly planned to evade social care and therefore are completely responsible for any outcome.

My understanding is that she was estranged from her family when she came back from some group she was involved in, in Africa, not sure of the details of that.

There is no evidence she has been denied access to food/basic needs or medical resources. She hasnt engaged in medical services, thats not to say that it was outside of her control.

There seems a great deal of investment on these threads to minimise her agency.

I suppose if she has indeed had children removed previously then you can understand her logic in going on the run this time as she will have knows exactly what was coming, but she certainly hasn't helped her case and still isn't doing herself any favours. Even her father has now said that the consequences are far worse on her now and it would have been so much better to have handed herself in sooner. The thing is there were at least some occasions like when he went in alone to buy camping gear that she had every opportunity to escape from the situation if she was afraid of him. It does seem she has made some pretty disastrous choices which there won't be any coming back from now. She's going to be lucky to avoid prosecution now anyway so might as well just tell the truth. It's hard to fathom what someone of her standing saw in him really. Why would you choose to keep having children with a sex offender knowing full well what the outcome would be?

To me they don't seem to be thinking straight by going to a cash point to withdraw cash. They must've been desperate for whatever reason...hunger/drugs? They must've known that the cash point would flag up their whereabouts.

Surely one of them would withdraw the money and get out of the shops fast with the intention of leaving the area. If they had a live baby to consider that is.

@ChocChocYum also did you want to make a new thread before this fills right up?

I know. If you are trying to avoid detection why use a cashpoint that will show the authorities exactly where you are? They might as well just paid by card as it's no different really. But I suppose being on the run so long under those conditions nobody is going to be thinking rationally.

Not meaning to be funny but how is this thread any different to the Nicola bulley threads ? Full of speculation again and also imo this is worse because we're talking about a potentially dead baby here...

Because the only names being tarnished are those that potentially allowed a tiny baby to die. Because the victim is a baby and no one is going to say anything awful about the victim. Because it's clear who is to blame. It won't be a random stranger.

I consider Nicola Bulley a victim too and one who could be damaged by the awful speculation. Because the mental health of the victim was questioned and poured over by randoms on the internet.

I think there is a difference in the two cases.

In the video clip on the news. One of them, possibly the Father is walking with a stick and looking to be in pain. It does make you wonder what the end plan was. They must have known they couldn’t outwit the authorities forever.

I wonder if they thought they could get away with telling them that there was no baby? Even people on here dont seem to believe there was enough evidence 🙄 despite the fact they found the placenta, they were seen pushing around a pram, you could see the baby under her coat, the taxi driver heard the baby apparently she might have just "faked it all and was carrying around a doll" 🤦 they are obviously not thinking straight perhaps that's why they've not said where it is because the baby sadly died and now they are denying there was a baby?

I'm disgusted that this thread is allowed.

There's a hide button you know

They had planned to be on the run with burner phones/ sims etc. Possibly they had opened a basic bank account with fake ID? As I can't imagine they carried £15000 in notes on them sll this time. Especially with the car fire.

It says they visited a food bank a week ago without the baby so looks like it hasn’t been with them for a while.

Just started a new thread but I changed my name couple weeks ago.

Link?

Family missing with newborn 2… www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4753815-family-missing-with-newborn-2

How on earth did they visit a food bank, under fake names? You have to jump through all sorts of hoops for a food bank voucher where I am and have a referral from a professional. How did they manage that while being on the run.

It was maybe a community pantry type food bank no need for referrals.

Yes possibly, but no one recognised them? My god. Mind you, if the impressions are right and baby came to harm many weeks ago, then it may not have resulted in anything different now. I wonder if they picked up baby stuff at the food bank, that would give another indication

I actually don’t know but a woman came forward to say they visited the food bank a week before and didn’t have the baby and she asked them if they were together, how she didn’t recognise them!?