Family missing with newborn....

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www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

Because she didn't have the capacity to make and implement plans like this.
If she had, she wouldn't have been with that man.

nicknacky that’s a bit unfair. That poster was asking a question. They are not a police officer. They don’t have experience or knowledge of surveillance ops.

This is quite interesting. I went into a rabbit hole from some of the pages Constance was on on her Facebook that were all mainly conspiracy theories were about social services. It all seems to be parents who have had children taken from them and it was mainly them fighting to have possession of the children in order to “beat the system” rather then any accountability on why the child was taken from them: This idea of possession could explain why they haven’t disclosed where the baby is, if they put it somewhere “safe” they would know 24 hours in freezing cold without food no baby could survive so by not disclosing it’s more “we had the child last and not you”. Even by running away it suggest “you can’t catch us and the system won’t win we will”

Sadly Pink39tree you are spot on. You also see it time and again in court proceedings where a parent (usually a dad ime) is trying to gain custody when in reality he couldn’t give a stuff about the children.

bella is also correct in her posts around neglect. It’s all so complex. Constance (and Mark) will believe that they are good parents. They will minimise past unfit parenting. In their minds, ‘the system’ will be to blame for any previous failings on their part. They will absolve themselves of blame. In reality of course, we know that simply isn’t true. In these scenarios, Mum is usually caught in a cycle of low self esteem and coercive control (drugs or other substance abuse often feature). Please note, I am not saying she is blameless, far from it - our actions have consequences. Dad is all about control and possession, there are usually substance and violence issues here too, as well as previous run ins with the law (as we’ve seen in this case). Together, the two are a toxic mix. They are incapable of putting a child’s needs above their own. It doesn’t matter if it’s the first, third, tenth child, the story very very rarely ever changes.

It’s not unfair at all I think. She phrased it “would it not have been better” rather than ask an actual question about how quickly a surveillance team can be scrambled.

Common sense should tell people that this was a dynamic, fluid situation without time to consider implementing surveillance etc. It was the first sighting in about seven weeks

I think ‘would it not have been better’ is phrased as a question. It may be regional. It’s certainly something I and many people I know would say. That’s just how I read it anyway. As an aside, I don’t think it was the first sighting in 7 weeks was it? I thought there had been two previous confirmed sightings?

I don’t think there had been a sighting since about 8th jan?

Oh apologies I might be wrong there. I’ll have a look and come back to that.

What I can't fathom is that they will know they aren't getting released soon so the fact they won't reveal where the baby is almost suggests that they aren't concerned it will come to harm if it isn't found quickly. The only logical reason not to be concerned will either be because they know it has already died or because someone else has been looking after it whom they believe will keep it safe.

How pedantic . - “would it not have been better” is literally read as a question, If I wasn’t asking a question I wouldn’t of bothered adding that because I wanted insight from others to respond to on why the police did that. I wasn’t acting like I knew better than the police I was just asking why that happened and if could have been differently.
“would it have not been better for Constance to not give birth in a car and seek medical attention”
“would it not of been better for them to not run away with a newborn baby endangering their life”
they are all open ended questions that invite responses.
I do apologise wholeheartedly for failing to use a question mark however!

Well having now seen that they were shopping and carrying back shopping in bags, the police will have seen whether there were any baby products, nappies, wipes, milk if she is not breast feeding (although god knows how she would have managed feeds if shes not).

If there are no products, then its more likely baby is dead. If there are products then baby is with someone.

I honestly can’t get over how any women can lay in jail knowing that newborn baby is freezing cold or hungry and not disclose it.

I think it’s most likely a case of they know they are going jail either way so don’t really care

So smart didn’t even think of this!!
your totally right, hopefully something in the bags to indicate to the police that the baby is still alive and that’s why they’ve spent 24 hours searching

Or nothing that indicates the baby is alive hence the search 😢

They wouldn't be using thermal cameras if that was the case.

Can only hope so.

They might do - just in case, surely? Unless they have proof that the worst has happened they have to cover all eventualities.

This is so true. My dgs dad fought against the charges bought to him. He had every chance of help and was offered courses and gradual supervised access to dgs who was a baby at the time. Because he couldn't see dgs on his terms he turned his back and haven't seen him for 6 years now. He fought and fought with SS for what he said was his rights to access and involvement in dgs life. In the end was just a power game that once he lost he didn't give a damn about!

Thermal cameras are used even if someone is suspected dead - why do people say things when they have no clue what they are saying

True enough. I was reacting to the 'no nappies = no baby' idea.

There were either nappies etc. in the shopping or the police aren't seeing a lack of nappies etc. as strong evidence of the baby not being alive.

Oh no, wasn't aware of that, still hoping though.

I'm really hoping the baby is ok.

Imo, if the baby is alive and with someone, I don't see them telling anyone where it is until they are sentenced and that's only if it is a very long time when it's clear they may never get to be in their child's life. Even then, they may not tell anyone because having the chance of letters, perhaps visits later on will be better than nothing to them.

Otherwise, I'm really saddened to think that the baby didn't make it. They had a pram (a buggy type for an older toddler maybe) shortly after going missing whilst in Whitechapel I believe and disposed of it quite soon after when going to get a taxi. I'd wondered why because a taxi will usually have room for a buggy.

DH pointed out earlier there are so many questions and uncertainties unless they were wanted for something else prior, it seems really muddy water for a conviction. The manslaughter charge must be to try and get them to tell them everything.

Re getting no medical assistance, I read very early on that they called for an ambulance initially but gave up. I can't find it anywhere but that was not mentioned much again. Did anyone else read this?

Please ignore what I said re an ambulance, I can't find anything about it from old articles so even if I did read it at the time then maybe it was corrected.

I have a feeling lots of information has been held back by the authorities which will be slowly revealed now that they have been apprehended. Several pictures released while she was missing and also on her social media show her with a mixed race baby/toddler. I wonder if she had already had a child removed from her care as a result of her relationship and knew exactly what was coming when she got pregnant again.