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Family missing with newborn....

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ChocChocYum · 07/01/2023 21:49

www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

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DerangedViper · 28/02/2023 21:30

The manslaughter charge must be to try and get them to tell them everything

Sadly that cannot be the case under English law. It's governed by PACE. The arresting officer must have reasonable grounds to believe that an offence has been committed, and well-founded suspicion that the person being arrested has committed that offence.

It cannot be used as a pressure tactic

Spirini · 28/02/2023 22:43

Are we 100% sure there even was a baby? Any sightings? Photos are inconclusive, she could have anything under her coat

SirVixofVixHall · 28/02/2023 22:46

The placenta was found in the car.

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 05:21

Pink39tree · 28/02/2023 18:25

its from the new information being released about their arrest, they were walking back from a corner shop with heavy bags of food.

new cctv was released of them walking back and you can hear them arguing.

the person that tipped off the police was going into the corner shop, she noticed them as they were arguing while Constance was withdrawing cash.

police intercepted them 4 minutes later on their walk back

Why on earth would people take that and speculate that they had left the baby somewhere? Honestly some people need to think more critically before they come up with this stuff.

I think it's quite clear what has happened here and it's incredibly sad.

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 05:29

newjobnewstartihope · 28/02/2023 20:17

Thermal cameras are used even if someone is suspected dead - why do people say things when they have no clue what they are saying

I thought the same thing. Won't go into why that would be.

LaTangerina · 01/03/2023 06:28

Spirini · 28/02/2023 22:43

Are we 100% sure there even was a baby? Any sightings? Photos are inconclusive, she could have anything under her coat

Placenta was found in their partially burnt out car.
After the pushchair was dumped, taxi drivers heard a baby crying from within her coat.

davegrohll · 01/03/2023 06:34

That poor baby. I just can't understand how a mother or a father can put a tiny newborn through the worst start in life, camping in sub zero temperatures... Surely that baby would have been better off being removed by ss if that indeed was what was going to happen. The baby is either already dead or with somebody else, otherwise surely they would say ??

TokyoSushi · 01/03/2023 06:49

I think it's highly unlikely that the baby is with somebody else. I also wonder if the police have evidence that it's in the surrounding area, they may not have had the baby with them for weeks so it may never be found.

What a truly heartbreaking story, I can't even imagine how the Mother has got to the place where she'd allow this to happen.

Crumpetdisappointment · 01/03/2023 07:06

why on earth didnt they take the baby to the shops cash point with them

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 07:15

Crumpetdisappointment · 01/03/2023 07:06

why on earth didnt they take the baby to the shops cash point with them

Because the poor baby is no longer alive, obviously.

TokyoSushi · 01/03/2023 07:15

Crumpetdisappointment · 01/03/2023 07:06

why on earth didnt they take the baby to the shops cash point with them

I think because they don't have it anymore.

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 07:17

I really don't understand why there are so many posts bewildered that the baby might nolonger be alive. The authorities didn't consider these parents a risk to their children for no reason.

Metabigot · 01/03/2023 07:23

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 07:15

Because the poor baby is no longer alive, obviously.

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Someone made the very good point uptrend that the contents of the shopping would reveal this. Police seem to be acting as though the baby was likely alive when they went to the shops.

ItsTrueLou · 01/03/2023 07:24

The distrust this couple have shown so far indicates they are unlikely to have let anyone look after their baby

mixedrecycling · 01/03/2023 07:51

Metabigot · 01/03/2023 07:23

Someone made the very good point uptrend that the contents of the shopping would reveal this. Police seem to be acting as though the baby was likely alive when they went to the shops.

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I very much hope this is the case, but I read it differently. I think if the police thought the baby was alive and had been left temporarily while they got supplies they would be urging far more action from the public in terms of checking outbuildings etc, because it is a race against time which would justify releasing information.

Plus, I think the couple would be far more likely to have told the police where the baby is if there was a chance it was alive.

I hope I am wrong.

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 07:55

They also wouldn't have charged them with manslaughter. This isn't the US where police are allowed to lie and mislead in order to get information or a confession.

mixedrecycling · 01/03/2023 07:58

I am not sure how much proof is needed to arrest someone vs charge someone - so far I think they are at the arrest stage.

Either way, the obvious way to refute a manslaughter accusation is to show a living baby. Which hasn't happened yet.

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 08:04

mixedrecycling · 01/03/2023 07:58

I am not sure how much proof is needed to arrest someone vs charge someone - so far I think they are at the arrest stage.

Either way, the obvious way to refute a manslaughter accusation is to show a living baby. Which hasn't happened yet.

You're right it is arrested rather than charged at the moment. I will still be very surprised if the baby is still alive though. Its awful to think about.

ElephantInTheKitchen · 01/03/2023 08:06

mixedrecycling · 01/03/2023 07:58

I am not sure how much proof is needed to arrest someone vs charge someone - so far I think they are at the arrest stage.

Either way, the obvious way to refute a manslaughter accusation is to show a living baby. Which hasn't happened yet.

Arresting is just when there's a reasonable suspicion of an offence by the police.

Charging is when the independent CPS looks at the evidence and decides there's a realistic prospect of conviction and it's in the public interest to proceed.

Yerroblemom1923 · 01/03/2023 08:07

The shopping contents would give clues about whether the baby is still alive. Some people have said that the baby is long gone as they abandoned the pushchair a while ago in which case you'd think they'd be searching all the places they've been sighted instead of the allotments where they were arrested.
I'm just praying they've left the baby with someone, possibly someone they thought they could trust not to come forward.

ElephantInTheKitchen · 01/03/2023 08:11

I think there's three plausible options here

  • the baby died some time ago, they buried it in an unofficial grave, and are now going no comment at interview because they don't want to provide evidence the baby is dead (and perhaps, they don't want the grave disturbed)
  • they gave the baby to someone else to look after - but police say there's no evidence of this
  • the baby was alive when they were arrested, but their views are so warped they believe the baby is better off dead if it's not with them.

I'm struggling to come up with alternative scenarios myself

Crumpetdisappointment · 01/03/2023 08:19

the police seem to be concentrating on the Brighton area for the baby.

Metabigot · 01/03/2023 08:24

The fact that they are both using the same strategy of giving the police no information suggests a degree of foresight and planning. Given this was an unanticipated arrest and they presumably have not been able to speak to each other since, makes me think scenario 1 of @ElephantInTheKitchen may be correct.

Surprised Constance hasn't broken under police questioning. Mark probably has experience from his criminal past of how to deal with being interrogated.

kittykutty · 01/03/2023 08:32

knittingaddict · 01/03/2023 07:17

I really don't understand why there are so many posts bewildered that the baby might nolonger be alive. The authorities didn't consider these parents a risk to their children for no reason.

There's 'a risk' and then there's a baby actually turning up missing. Lots of things can pose a vague risk (like previous alcohol misuse), but this really didn't cross my mind at least.

The whole point of them running was that they were presumably to keep the baby. If there was a serious risk to the baby's health (not just jaundice or something) I truly thought they'd have given up

picklemewalnuts · 01/03/2023 08:49

But Kitty they may have little idea how to recognise 'serious risk' to the baby.

Living rough in sub zero temperatures is a serious risk. You'd either have to over swaddle or co sleep, both of which risk suffocation. She'd have to breastfeed- no alternative. No opportunity to regularly weigh the baby to check it's thriving. If it was born screaming, then got quieter and quieter they may have assumed it was doing better, rather than getting weaker.

The baby was at serious risk from the start.

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