Family missing with newborn....

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www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

They've had previous children taken away. Of course they are a risk to their children. SS don't do this for fun.

And taken away while still very young, judging from the photos.

Youre absolutely right that you may not be able to tell. If a baby is screaming but there's not really many visible signs... makes sense

But then why not say anything? Its only going to get worse by not explaining that it was a terrible accident and not intended. It's all so strange.

@kittykutty babies don't get removed at birth - assuming this was why they ran away, as it seems the most likely reason - on a 'vague risk' such as previous alcohol misuse. Current alcohol misuse would not necessarily result in a baby being removed, depending on a whole range of factors. His past criminal record would not necessarily be a reason for removal.

Any action, which is decided by the courts not SS, is based on whether there is a risk to THIS baby at THIS time.

I'm not talking about SS adhere, I know the threshold is high for a removal to be followe through but we all knew there was a risk. But without knowing what that actually was, I (personally) didn't think it would be so dire. I imagined the baby would be in poor health, neglected, but alive- if they were found and hadn't fled entirely, if that makes sense

But then why not say anything?

If (over time) they have got so locked into their narrative of 'SS stole our other children unfairly' then perhaps they have mentally backed into a corner and can't face the truth about themselves as parents. Especially if they have cut themselves off from anyone who might have refused to collude in that view.

Yeah. It's like 'these bastards ruined our lives, they'll never have our baby'. But then... at this point, still nothing? You're getting locked up for a long time if you can't even provide an explanation. Even out of self interest, to just tell the truth and try for a lighter sentence. It baffles me.

It's going to come out anyway, why drag it on and make yourself look worse?? If nothing else?

I think the thing you have to remember that what they've been doing these last few months, and maybe before, is not in any way the actions of rational, 'normal' people. That would suggest that you can't expect a rational and logical response now either.

I'm still nor understanding WHY you imagined that.

Because first and foremost they don't trust the authorities. I'm not saying they are correct and know what they are doing and making sensible decisions, but this will be why.

I knew a heroin addict who gave birth in hospital. She probably held her baby once before it was removed by social services. The baby never came home with her and she just carried on using heroin like nothing had happened.

I've never seen any evidence of substance misuse issues at all.

Coercive control, mental health issues, a chaotic lifestyle and neglect - yes - but not addiction.

Denial I expect. We aren't talking about people who behave and think rationally here unfortunately. I think because they are in denial they are convinced that if they stick to their story nobody can prove a thing. I wouldn't be surprised if she resorts to using her privilege to get her parents to secure the best legal representatives available to justify her actions either.

What evidence has been released into the public domain which would have suggested addiction though? We just wouldn't know if there were drug issues here because so little has been revealed.

People have pieced together a fair bit one way or another - most of it has later come out in the media (e.g. her aristocratic background) but her previous children have never been reported on in the press.

Getting drugs requires access to contacts and local networks to put you in touch with a local dealer. They've moved around so frequently that even if they were drug users they couldn't have kept up with their normal dealer, and have been trying to stay away from others as much as possible, so it would be harder to find new networks and dealers.

Of course if they were merely alcoholics then the issues of supply don't apply in the same way.

... And to be honest I think what we can read between the lines about coercive control (e.g. her becoming estranged from all family and friends shortly after meeting him), the chaotic lifestyle (reports of leaving multiple flats in a terrible state and moving on frequently) and CM shouting at the point of arrest that they should let MG go because he has MH issues provide a strong hint of good enough reasons why prior children have been removed, even without substance misuse issues.

What evidence have you seen of coercive control and by whom?

Why hasn’t she told them where the baby is then!? She’s just as bad as him.

Agree.
Sadly I think the first is the most likely now.

Yes to all of this.
And she'll be too frightened of him to divulge where the baby is.

Ok even though she is locked up and so is he and they won’t be seeing each other anytime soon 🙄 yeah she’s the victim in all of this.

In the short cctv footage just before they were arrested you can tell by the way he is talking to her that she is likely being coercive controlled.

Can't make out the exact words but he appears to be asking her if she's done something, constance responds and he is clearly then heard saying 'good '.

The way he says 'good' sounded ominous.

This is on the DM website if anyone wants to view it.

Its not hard to find drugs in Brighton if you have money

Residents said police were seen photographing an oil drum used to burn rubbish. I hope they didn't use this to burn any evidence!