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Thread 20 Sunak and the Winter of Discontent

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DuncinToffee · 16/12/2022 18:58

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Soothsayer1 · 03/02/2023 13:52

Johnson is a very talented con man, I think a lot of it is to do with his voice and confidence, because he sounds extremely upper class but is at the same time friendly.
People instinctively doff their caps/fawn over him whilst feeling flattered that this aristocrat is talking to them as if they were an equal.
It is an act which fools many people and makes it hard to accept what he really is, I think that trump was spot-on when he said that Johnson is Britain's trump I'm not saying the two are necessarily directly analogous, but I think there are parallels, mostly to do with the way that people are fooled by them.
Maybe it can all be summed up as populism 🤷

jgw1 · 03/02/2023 13:53

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 13:42

Johnson and Truss make Cameron and May look like paragons of virtue.

And they all make me yearn for Thatcher milk Snatcher.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 13:58

"And they all make me yearn for Thatcher milk Snatcher."

Strange isn't it. If I had to lean towards a Conservative PM it would be Major, despite the bloody awful sleaze that went on during his time. It still seems more common or garden sleaze than what has been happening since Cameron's decision to pursue a referendum which is when (in my humble opinion) the Westminster wheels fell off.

Lonelycrab · 03/02/2023 14:11

@Soothsayer1 very astute post, sums him up well I think.

Soothsayer1 · 03/02/2023 14:15

Lonelycrab · 03/02/2023 14:11

@Soothsayer1 very astute post, sums him up well I think.

Thank you😁
in my mind it's a bit like that duck/rabbit picture where you can't see both sides simultaneously, the front is so good, or maybe speaks so loudly that it's very hard to accept the real him 🤷

Roussette · 03/02/2023 15:57

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 13:58

"And they all make me yearn for Thatcher milk Snatcher."

Strange isn't it. If I had to lean towards a Conservative PM it would be Major, despite the bloody awful sleaze that went on during his time. It still seems more common or garden sleaze than what has been happening since Cameron's decision to pursue a referendum which is when (in my humble opinion) the Westminster wheels fell off.

When my DCs were little, we were down in Cornwall and John Major did a walkabout near the sea wall we were sat on (eating pasties)

God knows why, he came over to speak to us, he was charming and my DD said to him... 'would you like a bite of my pasty?'. He was so very nice and bent down and chatted to her about what was in her pasty, and how he might go and buy one the same in a minute.

Gone are the days when Tory MPs can actually be nice, relatively honest and be worthy of the position they hold. And Major's sleaze was crumbs compared to what we have now.

Roussette · 03/02/2023 15:58

Tory PMs that should read. Not just MPs

itsgettingweird · 03/02/2023 16:13

It must be such a happy place to be in, if you are so detached from reality. I am really quite envious of them.

I know this is your brilliant humour but actually in some ways I think some people do aspire to be so detached and care less.

I know sometimes I would love to be much more chilled and full of my own self importance.

Difference is some of us know the downsides of that but I wonder of some of those people take it to that level that's what attracts them to vote for them?

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2023 16:19

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 13:42

Johnson and Truss make Cameron and May look like paragons of virtue.

TBH without Cameron, we'd have had none of the others.

The contempt i hold for Cameron knows no bounds.....

Just imagine if that twat Clegg (who has very nicely feathered his own nest) had backed Brown/Labour.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2023 16:52

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 13:58

"And they all make me yearn for Thatcher milk Snatcher."

Strange isn't it. If I had to lean towards a Conservative PM it would be Major, despite the bloody awful sleaze that went on during his time. It still seems more common or garden sleaze than what has been happening since Cameron's decision to pursue a referendum which is when (in my humble opinion) the Westminster wheels fell off.

Indeed. He was my constituency MP and he was excellent. I was so impressed by his calling out “the bastards” and gambling on that confidence vote. He was the single PM of my lifetime who I can honestly say I think had integrity.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 16:54

I meant in the sense that Cameron & May (generally) shut up once they were out of office - it wasn't meant as an endorsement of their choices as leaders.

Sunak - just like May - has a divided party spanning One Nationers to ex UKIPers and a plethora of egomaniac backseat drivers.

I don't even think Johnson and Truss are the specific problem - they could easily be swapped out for the next charlatan (paging Lord Frost) - it's whoever is bankrolling them.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 17:01

I think Major and Brown were both thoughtful politicians who hadn't been bought.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2023 17:01

Frost does my head in. Nobody ever voted for him in anything but he hangs around like a bad smell constantly pontificating. I wish he’d pipe down.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 17:06

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2023 17:01

Frost does my head in. Nobody ever voted for him in anything but he hangs around like a bad smell constantly pontificating. I wish he’d pipe down.

Just a walking ego coupled with a short memory and no self awareness. He'd fit right in to the Commons.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2023 17:12

Yes. And, to be fair, I’d forgotten about Brown. As a pp said, how different it would have been if Clegg had turned left in 2010. That was a real sliding doors moment.

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2023 17:21

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2023 16:52

Indeed. He was my constituency MP and he was excellent. I was so impressed by his calling out “the bastards” and gambling on that confidence vote. He was the single PM of my lifetime who I can honestly say I think had integrity.

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Lol! his wife might say differently.

My choice would be Gordan Brown on the integrity front..... i think he genuinely wanted the best for the population, what the Tory press did to him over that Bigoted Woman remark was disgraceful...

All/most politicians feather their own nests, Labour or Tory.... the difference is that this time around, the Tories are doing it all whilst still in office and at the same time screwing the country and everyone in it.

TheABC · 03/02/2023 17:54

The only redeeming feature in this mess is that if Johnson burns it all down, we may get a general election this year instead of next year.

At this stage, someone has to put the Tory party out of its misery. It's the kindest thing to do.

pointythings · 03/02/2023 18:07

At this stage, someone has to put the Tory party out of its our misery. It's the kindest thing to do.

jgw1 · 03/02/2023 18:10

pointythings · 03/02/2023 18:07

At this stage, someone has to put the Tory party out of its our misery. It's the kindest thing to do.

When the Tory party is put down, one wouldn't let a dog suffer this long, I am worried I won't have anything to laugh at.

Lonelycrab · 03/02/2023 19:48

The contempt i hold for Cameron knows no bounds

Yes.

Posh boy plays chicken with his eton chums, but actually put the entire direction of this country at stake, like a sort of game.

Chevyimpala67 · 03/02/2023 20:01

Lonelycrab · 03/02/2023 19:48

The contempt i hold for Cameron knows no bounds

Yes.

Posh boy plays chicken with his eton chums, but actually put the entire direction of this country at stake, like a sort of game.

But it IS a game to them.
They are totally insulated from the consequences of their fuckwittery.

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2023 20:03

Lonelycrab · 03/02/2023 19:48

The contempt i hold for Cameron knows no bounds

Yes.

Posh boy plays chicken with his eton chums, but actually put the entire direction of this country at stake, like a sort of game.

If he'd only put the country at stake/risk... he succeeded, with his fucking lies and tom foolery.

What he did is irreversible, certainly in any realistic time frame, he caused untold division, took us out of the EU & wrecked our economic prospects, well, for a generation, maybe far longer.
EV, Microchip, Green tech, Science.. out of all the EU very well funded programs.

Then there is how the idiot handled Covid....

If there was any fairness in the country, he and many others inc DC and his ideologically driven Austerity & Brext vote, would all be in jail.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2023 21:30

On TalkTV this evening Boris Johnson claimed the UK wouldn't have been able to approve the Covid-19 vaccines as quickly as it did without Brexit.

This is misleading.

twitter.com/fullfact/status/1621606223626866688?s=46&t=azad2kO5Y1ZAsmP9Y7Z2iQ

"Misleading" 🙄

I don't understand why any decent programme maker wouldn't intervene when bare faced lies are told - but then it's owned by Murdoch and run by Rebekah Brooks.

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DuncinToffee · 03/02/2023 21:42

I saw Peter Stefanovic' very angry tweets about that.

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DuncinToffee · 03/02/2023 22:17

This was shared in the brexit thread

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/03/whistleblower-who-revealed-fall-of-kabul-chaos-sues-uk-government-after-sacking

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