Thread 20 Sunak and the Winter of Discontent

[DuncinToffee]

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This explains a lot

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/16/traces-of-suspected-cocaine-found-after-parties-in-liz-truss-grace-and-favour-house-say-staff

www.bylinesupplement.com/p/exclusive-poll-84-back-striking-nurses

Omnisis found that 84% of all voters believe ministers should instead raise nurses’ pay at least in line with inflation, with almost a third agreeing that it should rise above that level.

Voters also back a bigger pay rise for teachers and rail workers, according to our poll.

Yeah

Explains trussonomics

Fuelled by Colombian marching powder

Puff piece in the Times today about Braverman. At no point does the interviewer challenge her on the closure of safe legal routes in to the country.
Nor do they comment on the 12 years the Conservatives have already had to fix it and the ridiculous cost of the Rwanda policy. The UN convention on refugee and ECHR are dismissed as outmoded.
It also treats her sharing sensitive information with her mates and their wives like it was perfectly normal and not actually a sacking offence.

There is no attempt to challenge. The Times appear to take instructions direct from CCHQ these days.

Oof!

Oh Nadhim, you seem deeply confused about who is affiliated to Labour and who has actually been in government for these last twelve years!

Still, on the bright side, when you generate this much hot air you won't have to worry about paying to heat those horse stables of yours!

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There is no attempt to challenge. The Times appear to take instructions direct from CCHQ these days.

They have been for quite a while.

I've been here before on other subjects - the way to get around it, and actually get a semi-useful answer, is to treat your MP like ChatGPT and game the underlying system.

Simply quote the canned-talking-point that somebody else has had, and ask specific questions about it by bullet point. They'll usually respond with something a bit more personal (although it'll still probably irritate the hell out of you, but for different reasons).

Yes I suppose it was blatantly obvious after they hurriedly pulled the Johnson getting his then lover a job and being caught in the office story.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/17/david-frost-handed-26000-after-quitting-as-uk-brexit-negotiator

Boris Johnson’s chief Brexit negotiator got a more than £26,000 taxpayer-funded payout for stepping down from the government having served as a minister for just nine months, the Guardian can reveal.

Doesn’t it just.

Meanwhile I hear Rishi is planning on fast tracking asylum claims? I’m struggling to pinpoint a voter base that would appeal to on any level. Can’t do a job? Just bodge round the edges a bit and make it go away.

(thanks for the festive new thread @DuncinToffee)

twitter.com/WritesBright/status/1603728966241566721?t=NkMBgYNl6GE9TYF9u1EqOg&s=19

If you want to know where power lies in modern Britain: new records show that Liz Truss's first external meeting as PM was with the CEO of News Corp, Rupert Murdoch's firm that owns the Sun, the Times etc.

At Last A True Tory Budget! Freedom Begins with Tax Cuts etc etc
Murdoch would take us right back there in a heartbeat if he could (and I am quite certain he'll have another bash at it with Johnson next year).

Absolutely agree with this!

Thanks for the new thread @DuncinToffee.

I don't know why exactly but feel like the voter id thing will be jettisoned.

I think it will be too @tobee. The media coverage of disenfranchised voters being turned away from polling stations will be overwhelming. One election day is what I give it.

Just reading about the forthcoming nurses and ambulance worker strikes in the Times. It's really very worrying.

10,000 ambulance workers will strike.
London might lose up to 80% of its ambulance fleet on the day of the strike.
Ambulances will be advised to bring in patients to A&E regardless of how prepared the hospital is (ie there isn't a bed/chair/trolley available).

The Government were warned in July how disruptive it would be.

But the current state of the service is untenable-

North West Ambulance Service declared a critical incident on Friday with 600 emergency 999 calls waiting with no availables response.
The trust activated emergency protocols that saw paramedics leave hospitals after half an hour. At the Royal Preston Hospital, this led to 160 patients waiting with only 59 trolley spaces. The wait for a bed reached 60 hours.
All ambulance trusts in England are at their highest alert levels with some seeing a 60 per cent rise in 999 calls.
But this shows exactly where the Government is at (my emphasis) -

"No 10 has requested photo opportunities with military staff responding on strike day.
These have been rejected by at least one NHS trust at the weekend."
Barclay & Sunak are hoping to make political capital out of this disaster.

Sorry I can't get the share token to function.

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The ridiculousness of hospitals being told to “ensure” ambulance turn around of 15 min by discharging patients with nowhere to go.
I liked the response of doctors saying they didn’t delay ambulances “for fun”.

This government is beyond contempt or parody.

"This government is beyond contempt or parody."

Quite. I fear a Government that hopes to make hay out it's citizens distress.

I just hope the public remember how badly the system functions outside of strike days.

Jonathan Pie

This one might just be my angriest yet: Strikes!

twitter.com/JonathanPieNews/status/1603307158128529408?t=3lizFbOjQ1vEbXOP8n1lbg&s=19

That's brilliant.

We need more of that in the MSM.

People need to listen and critically evaluate the information provided - I'm fed up of people saying "but I read ........".

High Court rules Rwanda flights legal:-

news.sky.com/story/court-rules-governments-rwanda-deportation-plan-lawful-12771150 Court rules government's Rwanda deportation plan lawful 

Still not sure how the govt are going to overcome the fact that Rwanda only have space for 200 asylum seekers (going up to a max of 1000 if alternative accommodation can be found) when they have a 100,000 case backlog. Fucking loons. (Excuse my French.)

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/rwanda-asylum-deal-uk-asylum-seekers-yolande-makolo-b1014266.html?amp

Still not sure how the govt are going to overcome the fact that Rwanda only have space for 200 asylum seekers

Precisely. Cost of this looks to be over £100m.

Of course it’ll never be the deterrent it’s claimed to be- you’d need to deport hundreds of times that amount to act in that way.

The people this is aimed at either aren’t interested in these facts, or aren’t clever enough to understand the basic maths.

It will achieve precisely nothing, apart from wasting a huge amount of money.

That's what my first thought was.

200 people. £100m

It won't make a dent or be a "deterrent". These people risk death to catch small boats to safety - being 1 of 200 people transferred from 40,000 is a smaller risk.

And what happens when 200 have been sent? Where's the "deterrent for the smugglers" after that. The "deterrent" was never going to work to stop the smugglers anyway. They don't give a shit about any of the passengers. Just the 10's of thousands of pounds/ euros they make.

And the last flight was grounded as people on it had reasonable claims not to be sent. Each flight could have the same issue.

The whole thing just doesn't make sense in the way it's sold to make a difference.

I don't think it's supposed to be a function as an actual deterrent - it's an attempt to head off Farage before the next election.

Supposed to function 🙄 you get my gist!