Bye Bye Big Dog. Who is going to take over? Truss V Sunak Thread 12

[Roussette]

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Here we are.

"the most dishonest charge of this entire leadership race is the idea that Sunak whacked up taxes because he’s some crazed socialist rather than (squints at notes) authorised to do by Johnson to tackle the biggest health crisis in a century"

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I agree with this.
And for every voter that rejects Sunak because he resigned and let Johnson down - do you not remember how badly Johnson behaved under May? Either very short memories or simply hypocrisy.

I was thinking at the last by elections after Jo Cox and Sir David Amess I'm amazed anyone wants to stand as an MP. But thank god they do.

Just saw a tiny snippet of the bbc news with Tory members in Derby saying how the 2 candidates were excellent. I mean they would say that I suppose. ...

The only hope we have is if Truss gets in Sunak gets chancellor back and really fights the PM.

I don't like the idea of more cuts but he's the only one with economic training who sounds plausible and Evan explain his rationale.

People don't seem to realise that an awful lot of "getting us through Covid" was imply implementing a pandemic action plan that had been in place for years. There was nothing innovative about furlough, for instance. Despite that, they managed not to have enough PPE in place and then wasted billions on buying junk PPE and giving expensive contracts to the government's friends, went into lockdown late, and completely mismanaged care homes leading to thousands of avoidable infections and deaths. That isn't "overall a decent job" particularly when you compare it with the performance of other Western governments.

Both terrible, but Rishi will annoy the racist tories more so I have a slight preference for him. Would love to see the frothing over our first BAME PM.

Totally agree. But they didn't 'get us through Covid'. People died because they ignored studies and reports pre Covid, setting out what should be done.

It makes me furious that they make out they were prepared in the way they should be pre Covid. That is untrue.

There was a planning exercise in 2016 (due to MERS/SARS) and it warned the Govt they should stockpile PPE and set up the bones of a track and trace system. It was called Exercise Alice and the Govt covered it up because it feared the public would draw the wrong conclusions from it. It has now been released. The report identified that quarantine and isolation was imperative. They ignored that and released hospital patients into care homes.
Look at Dido Harding's T&T. £35 BILLION on a useless system that was not ready and did nothing to help.

Agree rousette - they for us through covid and came out the other side with a court ruling they illegally discharged elderly to care homes.

They just use semantics. I know a lot of politics is based on this but Johnson never actually gives answers to questions and just uses these semantic sound bites hoping people will believe them.

It's known to work and the problem is in many ways it has within the general population.

I don't understand people saying Rishi is best because of the economy. He has messed us all up.

This is somewhat embarassing

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-reactions-as-rishi-sunak-seems-to-think-darlington-is-in-scotland-330065/

Sunak does an interview with Spectator TV. Asked about how he would work with Scotland.

Talks about his economic department he set up in Darlington.

Not only is Darlington not in Scotland, it's just a few miles from his Richmond constituency

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/20292246.rishi-sunak-mentions-darlington-interview-scotland/

Zonder - I certainly wasn't suggesting Sunak is best. I just find it ridiculous that the Truss camp have framed Sunak as a socialist and the budgets being nothing to do with Johnson.

As far as I can see Sunak certainly won't lower taxes and may well tighten the screws further. Truss says she will cut tax but with the ERG as her greatest supporters I doubt their focus will be on what is best for ordinary people. The Times reported that Truss has lined up Leadsom as her chancellor and I have no idea what she stands for.

I also note that the pay increases for teaching staff will have to come out of existing budgets. So they are taking money away from school budgets. Disastrous.

I also note that the pay increases for teaching staff will have to come out of existing budgets. So they are taking money away from school budgets. Disastrous.

Yes

Number 10 says the public sector pay deals will have to be funded from within existing budgets: "There are no plans for the treasury to provide any additional resources".

It's not like schools were swimming with money before.
I'm sure it's the same in other public services.

Brings to mind,

I say this out loud in my best Scottish accent many a time, so does my DH, it's a bit of a Rou household thing!

I honestly don't know who I want to win.

Safer hands Sunak but more of the same
OR
Truss with the ERG (the party within a party) manipulating her.

For amusement, it would be Truss. But she will destroy the country even more than it is now.

I lean towards Sunak a bit more just because his approach to taxes is more realistic. It seems to me that the Tory Holy Grail of cutting taxes is a bit of a nonsense. Unless they cut VAT, it won't benefit the lowest paid, and if anything we need to increase taxes at the highest income levels.

Sunak is a recognisable Thatcherite Tory but pragmatic enough to realise that tax cuts at the present moment could result in the total collapse of public services, which isn’t a vote winner. He was one of the few members of Johnson’s government who projected an aura of intelligence and competence.
Truss, on the other hand, is a made up person living in a fantasy land of her own imagining. In this Narnia inspired vision, she is wise and wonderful, consistent in her beliefs and an engaging and inspiring public speaker. She will provide Turkish Delight for all and we will never get sick of it.

God yes, Truss is in a fantasy land. I think she flip flops all over the place because I just don't think she has an inner strength. She wants to be all things to all people. I think she'll rue the day if she becomes PM. She is inheriting a poisened chalice, a lot of people are fed up with the party BJ has left, she has a short time to turn it round before a GE and she just isn't capable IMHO

"she has a short time to turn it round before a GE and she just isn't capable IMHO"
With Johnson waiting in the wings.

I thought Leadsom was going to be Mordaunt's chancellor? 🤔

As a nurse I am upset about the proposed pay rises, this is in respect to all public services - I don't like the way that nurses and teachers esp are pitted against each other.
It annoys me that Sunak/Johnson etc have given so much money away to friends under the covid guise and that we are now made to feel guilty for asking for an in-line with inflation pay rise as it will hurt the economy!
I despair for the way our country is being managed and all this talk of how they got the COVID management right really upsets me - they didn't as @Roussette so rightly states.
Having had to watch people die whilst as a health care professional we were left feeling useless will be a legacy that a lot of my medical/ nursing colleagues will take from COVID.
Sunak or Truss - I don't trust either of them to lead us or protect Education/ Health for the common man.

Spot on. The only difference between them is that Sunak is more media savvy and better with the smoke and mirrors so does not appear utterly clueless.

Ah yes you are right. Leadsom was running Mordaunt's campaign wasn't she?
Wonder who Truss would bring in.

Oh I had wondered if Leadsom was just nailed on to be anyone's chancellor

Leadsom is AWFUL.

Not sure if you all have seen this from BBC Newsnight. Truss addressing the LibDem conference and wanting to abolish the Monarchy. Unfortunately, she hasn't improved her delivery. But the ERG aren't worried, she is an empty vessel they can manipulate.

We are going to see this sort of thing for the next 5 weeks as they battle it out.

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