Boris Johnson, parties and the Sue Gray report fall out. Thread 6

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You start wondering if there’s a 2022 Guy Fawkes in the making somewhere don’t you?

*absolutely not condoning violence or harm but there’s some extreme provocation going on right now.

They've got away with it so far so why wouldn't they keep going for it.

I knew someone who worked at the hospital he was supposed to be in at the relevant time. Without outing them at all (and I would stress that there was no breach of confidentiality involved), they expressed some doubts as to the information coming out of no. 10. At the time my reaction was "nonsense, they wouldn't lie about something like that". But maybe I was wrong.

Braverman does increasingly come over as a breathless schoolgirl with a massive pash on Johnson. Should Carrie be concerned?

Should Carrie be concerned?

not just yet, Braverman has to get through Nadine Dories before facing off with the final level fight.

@AmaryIlis leaves a nasty taste the realisation that that’s exactly the kind of level he’d stoop to though doesn’t it.

This guy made this thread on the same day as the confidence vote. Sadly it doesn’t seem to have generated as much attention as it probably should. He makes some good points about BJ’s recovery compared to other patients following ICU care.

mobile.twitter.com/MarcusJBall/status/1533804069994766336?t=0vjqeAq_XCI8I-N-kb53OA&s=19

I thought Carrie Johnson was a bit too busy elsewhere to worry about Johnson's admirers.

I wondered whether Geidt's previous employer had a quiet word & suggested a speedy resignation was long over due.

What's really sad is the comments under the Best for Britain video

Just as bad as some of the posters on the Rwanda thread

I've heard rumours that there is a big news story rumbling in Downing St from someone who has connections. I don't know any more, but it's rumoured to be something about Johnson and Carrie.

What could it be - Johnson and Carrie split? Would that really be news?
Or Johnson and Carrie flee the country?

Peregrina I genuinely have no idea, and my source may be wrong. It could just be rumours.

Appearing before a committee of MPs on Tuesday, Lord Geidt said: "Resignation is one of the rather blunt but few tools available to the adviser. I am glad that my frustrations were addressed in the way that they were."

(From this Boris Johnson's ethics adviser Lord Geidt quits https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61819747)

He must have been planning to resign yesterday when he made that comment.

New rumours? Likely to break any minute?

I can just imagine the conversation between Johnson and his next ethics advisor.
"Thank you for the job, how shall we announce your resignation for your blatant lack if ethics?"
"Sorry, you don't think you've done anything wrong, then I'm not the right person for the job. I quit"
Repeat with every person who has any morals.

Tobee I think it may be rumblings rather than an imminent breaking story but that if the story were to break it would be big.

No but Nad should.

Government spokesperson on Lord Geidt says:-

"to provide advice on a commercially sensitive matter in the national interest, which has previously had cross-party support. No decision had been taken pending that advice".

BBC says it's not clear to what the spokesperson was referring.

Any ideas? Or is just made up?

Did that Rwanda thread get zapped, the one with the poster called freerangechildren on it? I can't find it, which is a good thing!

"As a source close to government thinking told the New Statesman: “They never expected the flight to take off. The point of the exercise was to create dividing lines ahead of the next election, which is going to be fought, in part, on a manifesto pledge to leave the European court of human rights and repeal the Human Rights Act.”

twitter.com/marinahyde/status/1537067972086403072?s=21&t=xkvOg2m9cDbUnxRkNu503g

It's all prep for the next election - a rehash of Brexit.
Amazing that they just can't rely upon a good track record in Government.

Flight to Rwanda http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4569216-flight-to-rwanda

Claudine - This one?

Yes, I thought it had gone. Shame.

Naa. The Job Description will include as an essential attribute "Total and complete absence of any sense of ethics or morality whatsoever".

A Trojan Horse policy.

I suspect many people don't know that the Council of Europe is distinct from the EU and that the UK was one of the founding members of the European Court of Human Rights, designed to protect human rights, democracy and the rule of law in Europe.

If there was an International Court of Human Rights, I bet there are some who would opt out of it. Because it's not a UK court.

Fits

Which rights don't they agree with?

Article 2: the right to life
Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour
Article 5: the right to liberty and security
Article 6: the right to a fair trial
Article 7: the prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties
Article 8: the right to private and family life
Article 9: the freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Article 10: the freedom of expression
Article 11: the freedom of assembly and association
Article 12: the right to marry
Article 13: the right to an effective national remedy for breach of these rights
Article 14: the prohibition of discrimination in the protection of these rights

The UK has also ratified Protocol No. 13 to the Convention on the abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances, as well Protocol No. 1, which contains three additional rights:

Article 1 of Protocol No.1: the right to free enjoyment of property
Article 2 of Protocol No.1: the right to education
Article 3 of Protocol No.1: the right to free and fair elections