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Boris Johnson, parties and the Sue Gray report fall out. Thread 6

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DuncinToffee · 01/06/2022 20:18

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jgw1 · 15/06/2022 18:37

itsgettingweird · 15/06/2022 17:19

Tbf to Braverman the fact she can name anyone that isn't her or Johnson is an achievement for her.

She's just so self centred and self serving

Are she and Raab having some kind of competition to see who can be the most stupid lawyer ever?

itsgettingweird · 15/06/2022 18:38

I'd say person - forget the occupation!

itsgettingweird · 15/06/2022 18:40

Just watching PMQs.

Johnson really only has one answer to everything.

How are we in the situation all out PM can do is repeat untrue sound bites and no one is even allowed to point out he's lying.

I fear for this countries future with him at the helm.

And he'll forever blame covid and the war.

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DuncinToffee · 15/06/2022 18:56

Lord Geidt has resigned

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ClaudineClare · 15/06/2022 19:00

Another nail in the coffin?

Cornettoninja · 15/06/2022 19:02

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2022 18:56

Lord Geidt has resigned

And this is how they get stronger and bolder. It’s not good news from any perspective.

at what point do the tories actively split into two formal new parties? It needs to hurry and happen imho.

Piggywaspushed · 15/06/2022 19:06

What are the implications of thus resignation?

ilovesooty · 15/06/2022 19:23

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2022 18:56

Lord Geidt has resigned

No one with a smidgeon of decency wants to be associated with him anymore.

Notonthestairs · 15/06/2022 19:24

After all the months of obfuscations I wonder why now. Something else to come out? Or just the results of yesterdays grilling?
He's only been in post 14 months.

tobee · 15/06/2022 19:30

What's the latest thoughts/soundings on Tiverton by election? They can easily spin Wakefield.

tobee · 15/06/2022 19:32

"And this is how they get stronger and bolder. It’s not good news from any perspective. "

Do you really think so @Cornettoninja? That's depressing if so.

Blossomtoes · 15/06/2022 19:51

tobee · 15/06/2022 19:32

"And this is how they get stronger and bolder. It’s not good news from any perspective. "

Do you really think so @Cornettoninja? That's depressing if so.

I agree. Everyone with a shred of decency is either deserting them or being turfed out. If ever this country needed a saviour, it’s now.

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2022 19:51

Tiverton

Lid Dem internal polling for the Tiverton and Honiton by-election:

CON: 46% (-14)
LDM: 44% (+29)
OTH : 10% (-15)

Changes w/ GE2019

twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1537098992328359938?t=L8Jz7OexTIt0aV5gRWMGoA&s=19.

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prettybird · 15/06/2022 19:59

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2022 19:51

Tiverton

Lid Dem internal polling for the Tiverton and Honiton by-election:

CON: 46% (-14)
LDM: 44% (+29)
OTH : 10% (-15)

Changes w/ GE2019

twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1537098992328359938?t=L8Jz7OexTIt0aV5gRWMGoA&s=19.

So everything to play for Shock ....that's within the range of statistical variation.

itsgettingweird · 15/06/2022 20:28

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2022 18:56

Lord Geidt has resigned

The 2nd ethics advisor to quit in 2 years.

When will the Tory party wake up Angry

Notonthestairs · 15/06/2022 20:33

Alex Allen resigned over Johnson's rejection of the findings of the Patel - bullying investigation.

How many ethics advisors resigned under May? Cameron? Major? Thatcher?

I can't find his reasons for resignation - anyone seen the full letter? Has it not been released?

DuncinToffee · 15/06/2022 20:35

This is horrible

Heartbreaking exclusive by @SkyNews, Asylum seekers violently restrained, bundled into vans, phones taken off them, one with hands & feet bound, another dragged to the plane by the hair.
twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1537123718593380354?t=3ufZN7XozSRnuG_gnPf3kQ&s=19

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Cornettoninja · 15/06/2022 20:45

Sadly I do @tobee. That’s at least two ethics advisors who have resigned citing him directly (amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/20/priti-patel-boris-johnson-bullying-report-findings).

The more moderate tories and advisors who resign/leave allows the (further) takeover of far right leaning MP’s with no moderation from a balanced circle of those they take on board advice from. Effectively the echo chamber gets larger and stronger. It’s their way or the highway.

The current direction of the Tory party is highly indicative of cult-like behaviour imho and that’s dangerous. They simply can’t back down from a position, no matter how wrong it’s shown they are, because they’ve invested so much in their ‘team’. They ‘have’ to be right because to admit error or failure would implode the whole thing and there’s some very fragile egos involved and bank accounts reliant on the grift.

I’m genuinely coming round to the notion the tories as they are now are done. They’re venturing further right than I imagined they would do so boldly. They’ve lost a lot of good people, I just hope that they still feel a duty to their country enough to openly fracture the party and stand as a separate faction. Whether the conservative electorate is strong enough to be tempted by a moderate alternative isn’t a definite because a lot of ordinary supporters are vulnerable to the same sunk cost fallacy as their MP’s.

I would never identify as a Tory voter or any party in particular, but even I recognise that people whose politics I don’t agree with or like can be acting in the honest belief they are serving their country and it’s people in good faith. I detect nothing even approaching that from the current cabinet because they’re not an unintelligent bunch and there are just too many instances of factual evidence they’ve chosen to simply not recognise to protect the career of a wholly unsuitable prime minister.

Notonthestairs · 15/06/2022 20:48

Any other Home Secretary would resign. We know Patel won't. It will rumble on.

They are arranging for a further flight before the end of the month. So before the Judicial Review has issued a judgement.

There will be the same outrage and another £500,000 of public money lost.

But it's a handy card to play to divert attention from domestic policy (or lack of).

I understand Geildt's resignation letter was "strongly worded" - wonder why they haven't published it...

Notonthestairs · 15/06/2022 20:50

Agree with your post @Cornettoninja particularly -

"I would never identify as a Tory voter or any party in particular, but even I recognise that people whose politics I don’t agree with or like can be acting in the honest belief they are serving their country and it’s people in good faith. I detect nothing even approaching that from the current cabinet because they’re not an unintelligent bunch and there are just too many instances of factual evidence they’ve chosen to simply not recognise to protect the career of a wholly unsuitable prime minister."

Cornettoninja · 15/06/2022 20:54

@DuncinToffee it’s just horrible isn’t it. No difference between the treatment from traffickers and employees tasked with getting him on the plane.

This is a bloody great stain on our country’s reputation.

tobee · 15/06/2022 20:56

Your last paragraph sums it up for me @Cornettoninja.

Just been wishing that these Johnson would make have to bog off soon (change in rules re confidence vote or whatever necessary). And then him having to go would mean all his shit heads would have to go.

So hard to think these terrible populist types have still got traction. Criminals like Johnson and Trump still have a future in their parties; people still see them as vote winners and other appalling populists/far right headbangers are further emboldened.

Like hoping that Putin will be couped/succumb to illness would solve all Russia's problems.

And, of course, GOP and Tories merrily law breaking and gerrymandering to ensure they have a clear path to power.

tobee · 15/06/2022 20:57

Poor editing in my above post

cakeorwine · 15/06/2022 20:57

The employment stats

Total hours worked increased compared with the previous three-month period but are still just below pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic levels.

The UK employment rate was estimated at 75.6%, 0.2 percentage points higher than the previous three-month period but 0.9 percentage points lower than before the coronavirus pandemic (December 2019 to February 2020).

The UK unemployment rate was estimated at 3.8%, 0.2 percentage points lower than the previous three-month period, and 0.1 percentage points below pre-coronavirus pandemic levels.

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/june2022

So hours worked are just below pre-Covid levels, unemployment is down but employment is below pandemic levels.

Explained by this

The UK economic inactivity rate was estimated at 21.3%, 0.1 percentage points lower than the previous three-month period, but 1.1 percentage points higher than before the coronavirus pandemic

itsgettingweird · 15/06/2022 21:04

Absolutely Cornett I. Especially agree but not aligning to policy but having a belief it's done because they believe it's best.

Johnson just throws his toys out of the Oran and stomps off (literally - look at him changing laws rather than adhering to standards).

And yes to cult like. For someone who abhors Putin publicly he acts more and more like him as this unravels.

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