Boris and his fines part 4

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Previous thread. More to come on the subject matter

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4536641-boris-has-been-fined-part-3?reply=117100091

I am not sure if this is more amusing?!?!

www.politics.co.uk/reference/latest-opinion-polls/

Given that Boris is if nothing else a coward I very much doubt he will go into the general election as PM if there is a distinct chance he won't be an MP after it.

Sue Grey to be published next week - what's the betting it will be next Thursday? Handy break for recess and not back until 7th June.

126 people fined
8 events

Events w/ fines:
20 May 2020 - BYOB party
18 June - CO leaving do
19 June - PM's bday party
13 Nov - Lee Cain leaving do &/or Abba party in flat
17 Dec - CO Xmas bash
18 Dec - No 10 Xmas do
14 Jan 2021 - No 10 leaving do
16 April - leaving dos on eve of Prince Philip's funeral

Johmson was present at 6 of them but hasn't received another fine at this stage (Met are still sending them out)

They made the laws, then denied breaking the laws, but the Met concluded that they flouted the laws - 126 times.

Chris Mason tweeting no further FPN for the PM. So that "interview" with Henry Newman in his study was handy timing - Johnson avoided both the party in the office downstairs AND the one in the room next door.

Adam Wagner's take on it
If it is correct, as is being reported, that the PM will receive no further Fixed Penalty Notices, but clearly other people have for gatherings he attended, I can only guess (may be wrong) that the Met decided he had a reasonable excuse, e.g. it was reasonably necessary...
... for work purposes, as the PM, to drop into a leaving party to give a speech, but it wasn't reasonably necessary for those who attended to attend, or maybe for them to stay on and booze rather than have a brief send off. Difficult to know what has gone on.

I think the outcome of the Met investigation is that the Prime Minister attended 6 illegal gatherings but attended 5 of them legally

Mollie Malone @ MollieMalone1

Acting Dep Commissioner @metpoliceuk Helen Ball tells @BethRigby 28 people had between 2 and 5 fines. Met informed PM no further action or fines for him. A relief but as the commissioner tells @BethRigby she is “sure” the public will be “surprised and concerned” about findings

Adam Wagner trying to answer the question as to why a gathering would be illegal for some people and not others.

twitter.com/adamwagner1/status/1527249552885129217?s=21&t=o6J7SFMobk1LVqNV_MJAig

Surprised he got away with only one FPN, yes. Very. No sense of trying to persuade others to leave, go home, stop drinking, stop breaking the law, you should not be partying in my flat etc.

Concerned... I have been since it became apparent it was Party Central there. The culture of breaking the law repeatedly came from the top as can be illustrated by the fact our PM broke the law too.

That will be because he was attending the illegal parties as the party entertainer, so of course he was working.

Cummings blog next week with something new in it?

This from Adam Wagner....
But I would be pretty peeved if I was an official who got an FPN for participating in what the Met clearly deemed to be an illegal gathering (because the important thing was the nature of the gathering not reason for going) but others who participated didn't

Peeved? I'd be furious.
Imagine if you are stood there for twenty minutes chatting with BJ holding a glass of wine, ditto BJ. And then you both left together. You get a FPN. He doesn't.

Entertaining the pot plants whilst getting a piece of cheese from the fridge and forgetting what he was doing

And people will celebrate this outcome.

Ah well. No fine for the ABBA thing then. He has got away with it. Very disappointing.

I guess Johnson could afford legal advice on exactly what to say, unlike officials.

And people will celebrate this outcome

Expect an influx of the acolytes soon.

It seems to me that this is a good result for the opposition parties.
Boris has been found to have broken the law and received punishment for that.

The public in the local elections and recent opinion polls have made clear they don't like partygate. But the police saying Boris attended 5 illegal parties, but did so legally just remind people how there is one law for us and one law for Boris and his merry band of crooks.

Remember Boris stated in parliament that he had been assured that no laws had been broken, and yet he attended in person 6 events that broke the law.

I just saw this alert from Sky news on phone

Any further fines would have been incredibly damaging, not sure how many would have forced a vote of NC

'But the police saying Boris attended 5 illegal parties, but did so legally just remind people how there is one law for us and one law for Boris and his merry band of crooks.'

Are you suggesting the Met are corrupt?!

So it has all been a damp squib as most expected, these were workplace interactions that were well within 'the rules' with some civil servants (who aren't the 'the Tories' no matter how much Brand & Co have brainwashed some folk it was all politicians) taking the piss.

How unsurprising that the 3 man zoom Christmas party wasn't an fpn offence

jgw

Yes, that's interesting. It just made me think of a party that was held a few miles from here within a week of the Lee Cain/Abba party. November 2020.

From what my local press said, apart from a few who managed to run off when the police arrived, everyone was rounded up and fined. How would a person attending that party local to me get away with being one that isn't fined? Because the actual party was illegal. I remember being shocked at the time that it happened.
Boris's 6 parties were illegal and yet he got away with no fines for 5 of them.
Baffling.

The covid laws were broken 126 times in Downing Street. If I ran a business that had such a disregard for the law, I am pretty sure that the shareholders would be asking serious questions about the performance of the boss setting such a culture.

Did you see the latest general election predictions, that suggest that the MP for Uxbridge would lose his seat @JaniieJones ?

So it has all been a damp squib as most expected, these were workplace interactions that were well within 'the rules' with some civil servants (who aren't the 'the Tories' no matter how much Brand & Co have brainwashed some folk it was all politicians) taking the piss

Oh do give over. I don't call 126 fixed penalty notices well within the rules, do you?

You absolve BJ of absolutely everything which is so weird. If I had come home November 2020 after being out and my DH had loads of people in the house with Abba playing, I'd tell everyone to fuck off out of there. You treat BJ as if he's a brainless moron not capable of setting an example.

Even the Times disagrees with you Janiie. There is no getting away from the fact he is a brainless moron allowed and even encouraged a partying culture. The buck stops with him.
The Sue Grey report will not be redacted and it could finish him off.

Poor Johnson. All those naughty civil servants dragging him into their illegal gatherings. I can just imagine him standing there, drink in hand, blinking in confusion.

As for the Met, of course it is not a corrupt institution. There have never been any examples of them failing to investigate things in a proper and honest manner. No siree.

Do we think that Boris being able to attend 5 illegal parties but not be fined for attending them make those who did stick to the laws more or less angry about it?

The met said that some fpns were still in the post, I wonder if his went off 5 mins before the announcement that no more fines would be forthcoming.
Shrodingers fine. Not with the met but also not with Johnson.

More.

And FWIW we're going to need another thread when the unredacted Sue Grey report comes out at a very convenient time