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Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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NewYorker80 · 12/04/2022 13:43

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

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Fitterbyfifty · 12/04/2022 14:57

@Findingapath
Agreed - but how?

BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ · 12/04/2022 14:58

@Changechangychange your comment made me think of this 2007 article by Charlie Brooker and the comment:

‘There is nothing to him. He is like a hollow Easter egg with no bag of sweets inside. [He] will say absolutely anything if he thinks it might get him elected. If a shock poll was published saying 99% of the British public were enthusiastic paedophiles, he would drive through the streets in an open-top bus surrounded by the Mini Pops. He's nothing. He's no one.’

That was about David Cameron, but applies just as well to Johnson, who is a say-anything, do-anything chancer, backed up by idiots either because “he’s so funny on the telly!” or (potentially more worryingly) “he knows what a woman is and no one else could have done a better job/at least he’s not Corbyn”.

He should resign this afternoon but I bet you a thousand pounds that he doesn’t. Nothing could now persuade him to go of his own accord. He thinks that he’s utterly above the law.

Fulmine · 12/04/2022 15:00

Of course he should go. He's going to say that he didn't think people standing round a table necking booze and eating birthday cake was a gathering, so he was just utterly stupid but not dishonest. The Conservative party should now be making it utterly clear that enough is enough and they don't want to be led or even associated with this compulsive liar.

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itsgettingweird · 12/04/2022 15:01

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
And here's the wjataboutery I said I'm here for Grin

If you have evidence that Starmer broke the law then submit it to the police.

Nancydrawn · 12/04/2022 15:01

They are not all as bad as each other.

They really aren't. That makes me furious.

There are plenty of people, Tories, Labour, or otherwise, who have ethics, principles, and a desire to shape the country into something better. I might not agree with their vision of better.

But they are good and decent people. I have known a fair share of MPs in my time. Some of them are shits. But the vast majority of them have been ambitious but good.

Pretending that they're "all as bad," pretending that it's all corrupt, and that nothing matters, and that we can't expect anything more: that's how democracy dies.

It doesn't die dramatically, with a palace coup, not in a country with such a long tradition. It dies with cynicism and hopelessness and apathy.

That gives the space for the real charlatans and shits to make their way to power. That's when they hollow out the rules and enrich themselves and make us weaker and poorer as a country.

You can't give in. You have to insist on more and on better. You have to stand up and say, "I like what this man is doing, but he isn't the man to be doing it." You have to be willing to sacrifice what you want and demand accountability and standards as a baseline.

If you don't, you undermine our country. And you won't know what you've done until it's too late. British democracy will die not with a bang but with a whimper. If the rules and the laws and the norms don't matter in Parliament, they won't matter anywhere else.

And we'll be left with a hollowed out country, founded on the shrug of "they're all as bad as each other."

MapleMay11 · 12/04/2022 15:01

*So we are effectively stuck with what we have. Labour are a mess, what is a women, Raynor who is just awful and completely out of her depth. The Far Left have ruined it for Labour to get into power. Corbyn was a disgrace and all over the place. Many Labour supporters on MN stated that if Starmer was in power he would have walked it yet he has been a wet weekend.

We are stuck with Tories regardless. You can moan and whinge but unless anything comes along that is better the country is going to vote again and again for them.*

I have to agree with this. If there was a GE tomorrow, I would very likely vote Tory. I 100% would not vote Labour and will never do so with Starmer and Raynor in their current roles.

Fulmine · 12/04/2022 15:02

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
It's been established that he didn't commit any offence. So what should he be fined for?
Mischance · 12/04/2022 15:04

We cannot have a PM who breaks the law - so he should go. Hopefully many Tory MPs will give him a not-so-gentle nudge.

walkersareback · 12/04/2022 15:04

The sheer utter waste of forcing the police inquiry rather than coming clean.

Absolutely this! Waste upon waste

Fulmine · 12/04/2022 15:04

@itsgettingweird

I think I should email my Tory MP and ask her what she thinks.

She's the Attorny general.

Even Cruella must be able to pull her head out of Boris arse for a few seconds to accept that breaking the law doesn't make him the best leader of the Tory party.

I could even try and catch her at one of her photo shorts when she comes and stays at her mums house which is why we got stuck with her as our MP!

It's so scary how ,any people will try and defend the indefensible.

She's widely acknowledged as one of the most stupid members of the government - if not the most stupid - and that's against some stiff competition. I don't think she understands the law, let alone understands that it applies to her and her friends.
jowly · 12/04/2022 15:05

@Roussette

All as bad as one another

I hate hate hate this phrase. What a cop out.
Translated it means... yes, let's just accept any old crap because all 650 MPs are equally bad.

Hint.... they're not.
There are some very good MPs out there, there are even a few who are Conservatives! And to say 'all as bad as one another' is just apathetic.

(I am not getting at you personally, I just had a heated discussion with a couple in RL, and the best they could do was 'they're all as bad as one another' and it rankled)

I actually meant the parties rather than individuals. Of course there are some MPs who work hard with their constituents interests at heart.
Brideandprejudice · 12/04/2022 15:05

I voted for Johnson and would again.
I don't care about him being fined if I'm being totally honest.

NightmareSlashDelightful · 12/04/2022 15:05

I think there are more GC people who would hold their noses and vote Labour, SNP, Lib Dem or Green in a general election than some on MN think.

It's a gross oversimplification to assume that this issue defines how millions of people will vote. It might define how you vote, and that's fine. But it isn't the same for everyone.

Roussette · 12/04/2022 15:06

Please everyone less of the ‘he should, BUT he won’t’.That is exactly what he is wanting our opinion to be…like we have already passively accepted it. It is unacceptable and they should be held to account

I said that in my opening post. But it doesn't mean I have accepted it.

Here is what I have just written to my MP, who is on the 1922 Committee and totally on the party line

"You are my MP so I am writing to you to tell you that I have lost complete confidence in Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservative party and our Prime Minister

I expressed my views to you a month or so ago about the continual flouting of rules set by the Government.

I have patiently waited to see if Mr. Johnson would actually be implicated (despite him saying otherwise continually). People in your constituency played by the rules he broke. Heartbreaking decisions were made by your constituents for the greater good of others and because the Government had vehemently expressed what we should or should not be doing.

Mr. Johnson has broken covid laws, misled parliament, lied and has now been fined by the Police. Surely enough is enough?

I believe his position to be totally untenable and he should now resign or face a vote of no confidence"

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/04/2022 15:06

Boris Johnson has done some dreadful things during his time as PM.

Including refusing to say that only women have a cervix.Shock But he's played a blinder. He sold Brexit promising everything to everyone and the people of the UK bought it. Now they're in a sunk-cost fallacy where they keep voting for him to deliver something he was never going to deliver.

The English electorate are in an abusive relationship with PM Johnson. He will do whatever he wants and the voters will make excuses and stay with him.

Polyputthekettleon · 12/04/2022 15:07

Starmer is that you? AGAIN?🙄

AlexaShutUp · 12/04/2022 15:07

It's amazing how many Tory apologists seem happy to shrug off the PM's rule breaking with completely unsubstantiated claims that "they were all at it", as if that somehow lets him off the hook.

If Keir Starmer has been fined for breaching the lockdown rules, then I'm sure that we will hear about it, and at that point, I will call for him to resign. In the meantime, you wishing that this had happened doesn't make it so.

Johnson and Sunak both broke the law. No amount of whataboutery or minimising will change this basic fact.

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 15:07

@OctopusSay

I don't think people outside MN care anywhere much as "we" think they do about what is a woman though. I work with well educated, predominantly female, professional people and their view is overwhelmingly that diversity and equality is a good thing and if that means the loss of female spaces, so be it.
Absolutely. I never hear it discussed outside of MN and The Times.

Sorry MN but it is not a 'pivotal ' issue. People care about the economy, jobs, the cost of living, petrol and - as Jess Phillips says repeatedly in her book - wheelie bins .

Boris Johnson lied to parliament.

Polyputthekettleon · 12/04/2022 15:08

No I don't think they should

Roussette · 12/04/2022 15:08

@Nancydrawn

Fantastic post. I said similar upthread. You just put it much better than me!

FairyCakeWings · 12/04/2022 15:08

If Blair was allowed to get away with illegally starting a war, I can’t get too worked up about Johnson illegally having a birthday cake. At least Boris will pay a fine.

DenholmElliot · 12/04/2022 15:09

I''m more disgusted with the metropolitan police for allowing it to go ahead right in front of their eyes.

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2022 15:09

@Brideandprejudice

I voted for Johnson and would again. I don't care about him being fined if I'm being totally honest.
Why not?

What does he have to do?

SirChenjins · 12/04/2022 15:09

Hear hear @Nancydrawn - and I’m fed up of hearing the lame ‘oh there’s no-one better’ excuse trotted out in order to justify voting for this shower of cretins. There are far better people who could lead this country - you might not like all of their policies, but there are so many more principled, decent, hardworking politicians who would do a far better job.

Yes he should go - although his inherent arrogance and complete lack of moral fibre will prevent him from doing so. It’s now down to the voters to show him the door.

Polyputthekettleon · 12/04/2022 15:09

Sorry, posted too soon. I don't think they should. If people have a problem with them , they'll get voted out at the next election.

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