Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

@AlexaShutUp

I have written to my (Tory) MP again, to ask if she will has confidence in the PM. I will be interested to see if she still tries to wriggle out of the question. The last time I wrote to her, she said that she was waiting for the outcome of the Sue Gray report. Not much point in waiting for that now.

Yes, I got that letter too. They all used the same one. I don’t want him to go. I want him to stay and keep fucking up time and time again until the Tories are unelectable for at least a decade.

@MapleMay11

*So we are effectively stuck with what we have. Labour are a mess, what is a women, Raynor who is just awful and completely out of her depth. The Far Left have ruined it for Labour to get into power. Corbyn was a disgrace and all over the place. Many Labour supporters on MN stated that if Starmer was in power he would have walked it yet he has been a wet weekend.

We are stuck with Tories regardless. You can moan and whinge but unless anything comes along that is better the country is going to vote again and again for them.*

I have to agree with this. If there was a GE tomorrow, I would very likely vote Tory. I 100% would not vote Labour and will never do so with Starmer and Raynor in their current roles.

Christ no wonder we get the fucking government we deserve, a bunch of stupid lying corrupt self serving immoral wankers, who have repeatedly trampled over democracy deliberately & wilfully pursued policies/hard Brexit so they can benefit, we have the highest rate of child poverty/food bank use etc etc i despair of what we are becoming & what we will accept.

@Brideandprejudice

I voted for Johnson and would again. I don't care about him being fined if I'm being totally honest.

That's really interesting to me. Would you mind saying a little bit more and why you don't care?

If you do not consider honesty and integrity to be important in a prime minister, what qualities would you prioritise? Do you trust what he says? Do you have any respect for him?

Does it really not bother you that the people making the rules seem to think that they themselves are above them?

What is it about Boris that makes you want to vote for him? Or is it simply that you think he is the least worst option?

I am genuinely struggling to understand why anyone would think he is fit for public office, and I am curious.

My MP is Nadine Dorries. Do I win?

For all the folk saying that he should stay because there's no-one else, and they are all as bad as each other.....should Putin just stay in command then and we'll let him do what he likes? After all, there's no-one else and they are all as bad as each other!!

Of course he should go, irrelevant of what he may or may not be doing over Ukraine, he broke the law, he lied to us, the Government and the Queen....all brazenly....morally again totally wrong ....but hey....there's no-one else. There will be someone else, same party or otherwise, if we actually give democracy and decency and chance and not just accept it so people like him can get away with more and more!

I've got a feeling he rocked up in the Ukraine to try to deflect from this bad news story. He should go. He completely lacks a moral compass as does Sunak!

@Brideandprejudice

I voted for Johnson and would again. I don't care about him being fined if I'm being totally honest.

Christ.

If you aren't annoyed about the PM and the chancellor literally breaking the law and taking the complete piss out of the electorate what do you care about?

I have just read that Carrie Johnson has been fined too?

So I presume there was a party/gathering upstairs in their flat, after the party/gathering downstairs was over.
I read about some sort of boozy do but can't remember when it was.

@Libertybear80

I've got a feeling he rocked up in the Ukraine to try to deflect from this bad news story. He should go. He completely lacks a moral compass as does Sunak!

Of course he did, only surprised Truss hasn’t been photographed gadding about whilst channelling her inner Margaret Thatcher.

@Roussette

I have just read that Carrie Johnson has been fined too?

So I presume there was a party/gathering upstairs in their flat, after the party/gathering downstairs was over.
I read about some sort of boozy do but can't remember when it was.

Wasn’t that the ABBA party in the flat to celebrate Cummings’ sacking?

@Piggywaspushed

My MP is Nadine Dorries. Do I win?

Mine is Gove, I notice how quiet he is being since this all came up, apart from the nightclub thing, I am not sure anyone has seen him since

Is there really no one better than Johnson? The Conservatives have an 80 seat majority, surely they could find a better leader.

Maybe Penny Mordaunt or Crispin Blunt or Jamie Wallis?😂😂😂

I used to work supplying a very large non London council. The biggest number of calls received were about rubbish collection (I joke not!).

Having said that IF there was a GE Boris would get out the big guns. He is a very good campaigner. Starmer would be seen as surly, not comfortable in the spot light etc.

Raynor - well least said about her the better. Still, the Far Left like her.

I remember on election night they interviewed Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar. Two young very left wingers.

They didnt seem bothered about losing - just about stating their idiology. As I have mentioned previously on other threads - Alan Johnson being interviewed alongside the Head of Momentum who again seemed very relaxed about being trashed unlike Alan who was boiling mad.

Best interview of the night.

I really dont think Labour want to win anything. Some posters on other threads hate Boris so much they even dismissed his comments about women as fact. He was only stating the facts... well what is Labour's excuse to say the complete opposite.

twitter.com/Peston/status/1513874044877221888

This thread from Robert Peston is really worth a read. It sounds far more serious than we imagined.

I don't think she understands the law, let alone understands that it applies to her and her friends.

She absolutely has no idea of the law or any actual interest in forcing it. I needed her help with a matter of needing the law enforced.

Emailed her the points of law, what was being done (or rather wasn't), cookies of what I was being told that was unlawful etc.

Her response was to send me a copy of the document I'd quoted for my reference 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

It really doesn't surprise me she's considered the most or one of the most stupid members of the Tory party.

Boris won't go

He won't give a shit about it

I wonder if we find out how many fines they each have

He should resign but he won't.
Sunak might have to be jettisoned though.

Hansard record has Sunak saying on 7th December to parliament

"No. I did not attend any parties"

@Roussette

twitter.com/Peston/status/1513874044877221888

This thread from Robert Peston is really worth a read. It sounds far more serious than we imagined.

Would you mind sharing the text of it. I can't seem to log on to Twitter at the moment.

This is interesting.

@Brideandprejudice

I voted for Johnson and would again. I don't care about him being fined if I'm being totally honest.

Don't you care that he lies? And acts that the rule of law doesn't apply to him?

He definitely should resign. Britain should not have a PM who has been fined for breaking a law he himself presided over, it is just not OK.

He won't because he is shameless.

The Tory party are a disgraceful mess at the moment. Embarrassing.

@TheDogsMother. Here you go!

The police have today concluded that the PM, the Chancellor and the PM’s wife all attended illegal parties, that breached Covid laws written by the PM. This is most serious for Boris Johnson of the three of them, because it was he who told MPs on 8 December…

that he had been “repeatedly assured” there were no parties and that no Covid rules were broken. He now has the challenge of his life to prove that he did not wilfully and knowingly mislead MPs - because if he did deliberately mislead MPs then he has no choice but to…

resign under the code of conduct for ministers, which he signed off and approved in keeping with normal practice on becoming prime minister. This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my…

lifetime. If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the Ministerial Code, then the charge will stick that this or any…

party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing. This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope.

Boris appeals to people. Starmer quite honestly seems stuck up and out of touch. He is also Sir Kier and seems rather lightweight. As I said up thread. Until there is another Blair Labour will keep stabbing themselves in the back and lose and lose again.

Do I think these parties were wrong. Of course. But if I am really honest the moment has gone to make this a big thing anymore. We have more important things to concern ourselves with, cost of living, whether Le Pen will get in, Urkraine etc.

I do think though they need to do something with Patel. What a waste of space and she looks and sounds the part, first women of colour in a Ministers position (I think) but she is blooming awful. Hasnt sorted out the boats in the channel and the weather is getting better so she should be watching out for this.