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Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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NewYorker80 · 12/04/2022 13:43

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

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DGRossetti · 12/04/2022 14:46

Although Johnson would probably just make Nadine Dorries chancellor

You may joke, but her agent hasn't stopped pestering Johnson since the fines were announced. Clearly she thinks she's in with a chance.

whenwillthemadnessend · 12/04/2022 14:47

He should morally go but I doubt he will as the rotors can't afford the instability with Putin primed to step up his game at any moment why with macron possibly gone too we can't afford him
To go right now.

Findingapath · 12/04/2022 14:47

Without a doubt he should go.

He is an utter disgrace.

He is laughing at us all.

He has been laughing at us all for a very long time: whilst loved ones died alone; family funerals were missed; vulnerable elderly people deteriorated alone; nurses pushed to breaking point. He was laughing.

We should be ashamed as a country to have him as a leader. I hope beyond hope we change direction, as a country, very soon; starting with his removal from office.

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SockFluffInTheBath · 12/04/2022 14:47

I think I’ve missed this Good Work he’s doing in Ukraine that justifies him staying in to play Churchill. Has he put Putin back in his box on the QT?

SerendipitySunshine · 12/04/2022 14:47

He lied to Parliament so he should resign.

Smug Sunak should resign too.

I'm not particularly a royalist can't help but think of the Queen on her own burying her husband, while they were all partying. We lost family members during covid and couldn't even have a proper wake afterwards to remember them by.

Cornettoninja · 12/04/2022 14:48

Johnson is the best the tories have to offer?!? Grin

Fuck me, they really are screwed aren’t they?

OctopusSay · 12/04/2022 14:48

@Livelovebehappy

I’m a Tory voter, and no I don’t think he should go. There are no alternatives, especially as Sunak has also been fined (would have seen Sunak as a good alternative). Surprisingly, although it’s too early to be sure, not a lot of condemnation from Tory voters tbh. People are a bit ‘meh’ about it.
If the Tories really can't offer up a single alternative to a PM who broke the law and treated the country with disdain, they really need to call a general election.
MrsWinters · 12/04/2022 14:48

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.

Notonthestairs · 12/04/2022 14:50

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
Police looked at that months ago and concluded no case.
AlexaShutUp · 12/04/2022 14:51

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
There is no evidence for this, but if you know more, then presumably you have referred the evidence to the police for them to investigate?
littledrummergirl · 12/04/2022 14:51

He should have gone months ago.

Franklin12 · 12/04/2022 14:51

The country would not take another election. For all the left wingers who hate everything about the Tories. Stop asking for a GE. Look what happened last time! Do you really think Labour can get their act together so quickly.

The what is a women situation would make them a laughing stock.

OctopusSay · 12/04/2022 14:52

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
OK you've got some info the police couldn't find? You'd better share it with them.
NightmareSlashDelightful · 12/04/2022 14:52

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
Only the Tories were in government at the time.
Nahnanananahna · 12/04/2022 14:52

He lied to parliament. I also don't think he will go, and I share concerns about what the alternatives are, but how can the Tory party possibly say that it's acceptable for anyone to lie to parliament. It undermines the entire parliamentary system to say 'its ok, it was a few months ago now'.

I'm less concerned about the 'lying' to the Queen. Partly because if she is going to play a role she should be getting her own legal opinion on contentious matters and actually I don't think she should play a role at all, but also because I don't think it was a clear cut lie.

OctopusSay · 12/04/2022 14:53

@Franklin12

The country would not take another election. For all the left wingers who hate everything about the Tories. Stop asking for a GE. Look what happened last time! Do you really think Labour can get their act together so quickly.

The what is a women situation would make them a laughing stock.

No I think that's the shame of it, the Conservatives probably would win again, but to say Johnson should stay because the Tories have no one else?
skodadoda · 12/04/2022 14:53

@trevthecat

He should go. But I don't think he will. Its just a big joke to them all
He’ll continue to brazen it out claiming he ‘unintentionally’ broke the rules. How he can claim that sitting in the garden with Carrie and the baby, a crowd of people, wine and food, counts as work is beyond ridiculous.
MapleMay11 · 12/04/2022 14:55

@MrsWinters

I hope they fine Starmer too. Let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Tories breaking the rules they were all at it.
They were indeed. Starmer has shown he is equally unfit to govern
Franklin12 · 12/04/2022 14:55

Labour really dont want to be in government..... they dont want the responsibility. Look at them putting forward Corbyn et al. Did they really think that would win it for them? They messed up big time. Couldnt decide whether they were for or against Brexit, nationalising BT and in one swoop trashing all the other 600 ISP's.

And now they are unclear what a women is. I cannot see Corby or Starmer doing what Boris did re going to Urkraine. Starmer wanted lockdown after lockdown.

OctopusSay · 12/04/2022 14:55

I don't think people outside MN care anywhere much as "we" think they do about what is a woman though. I work with well educated, predominantly female, professional people and their view is overwhelmingly that diversity and equality is a good thing and if that means the loss of female spaces, so be it.

Unescorted · 12/04/2022 14:56

All the people saying his has done really well on Ukraine sill that he has put the son of a KGB agent into the Lords, his party has taken Russian donations (even after the invasion), took longer than the EU, Switzerland and the US to impose sanctions....

Yeah he went on a willy waving tour and has stood in front of a Ukranian flag.

Also since the invasion of Ukraine his party has brought in more draconian anti protest laws than they were condemning Russian for...... How low do you guys have to go before admitting you have been sold a pup?

Fitterbyfifty · 12/04/2022 14:56

He should go but he's done about a dozen things now that would have been a resignable offence for most politicians.....and yet, he's still there.

DGRossetti · 12/04/2022 14:56

Mind you. if we are looking at resignations, what about the entire chain of fucking useless police and CPS waste of spaces that would have let this disappear without trace if they hadn't been made to do their fucking jobs.

I hear that job vacancies are at an all time high, so they can easily find something they are more used to. Pipe bending, if there aren't enough jobs in truth bending to go around maybe ?

Findingapath · 12/04/2022 14:56

Please everyone less of the ‘he should, BUT he won’t’
That is exactly what he is wanting our opinion to be…like we have already passively accepted it.
It is unacceptable and they should be held to account.

SpidersAreShitheads · 12/04/2022 14:57

@Franklin12

So I am a Tory voter. Labour have been screaming for everyone to resign since Johnson got in power. Its what Labour do - they moan from the sidelines but history has taught us that they are bloody useless in power bar Blair and a new Blair isnt coming anytime soon.

So we are effectively stuck with what we have. Labour are a mess, what is a women, Raynor who is just awful and completely out of her depth. The Far Left have ruined it for Labour to get into power. Corbyn was a disgrace and all over the place. Many Labour supporters on MN stated that if Starmer was in power he would have walked it yet he has been a wet weekend.

We are stuck with Tories regardless. You can moan and whinge but unless anything comes along that is better the country is going to vote again and again for them.

I welcome a strong opposition. Labour isnt it!

The parties were shameful but even if we had an election tomorrow Boris and co would still get in with a majority almost definitely not 80 though. Dont talk about the Libs. They are hopeless.

I'm a Labour voter but I agree with all of this.

I really like Keir Starmer and I think he's a decent, principled guy but he's dropped a massive clanger over the "what is a woman" issue and just generally he's trying too hard to appeal to everyone, and in doing so, he's appealing to no one.

Corbyn destroyed the Labour party's progress and his supporters are continuing the decay. There's so much infighting no one is achieving anything.

The Tories have picked up on the fact that many women (like myself) feel politically homeless. They don't give a toss about women's rights really but right now, they're the only ones who aren't about to chuck women's rights in the bin.And that fact alone is going to win them a shedload of votes because it's such a pivotal issue.

Boris Johnson has done some dreadful things during his time as PM. Things that would have gotten any other PM sacked. But we live in Trumpian times, and nothing sticks. He's surrounded with individuals in the cabinet with principles as corrupt as his own.

This fine has come at a good time for him. No one cares about COVID any more - the threat of nuclear war distracted everyone. Given the Easter break and lack of PMQs, this will all just fade away into obscurity and he'll continue merrily guffawing onwards.

Re Sunak - he's in it for the power, not the money. I think he is desperate to be PM. And during COVID he somehow acquired a reputation for being some kind of generous uncle, giving away his own money (technically the country's money but let's not split hairs.....) so up until now people have had a bizarre affection for him. Bizarre when he's just as corrupt at the rest.

I honestly despair.

If Rory Stewart had won the Tory PM job, things would look very different right now. And I say that very much as a non-Tory voter.

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