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Ukraine-invasion-part-15

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Ijsbear · 20/03/2022 16:14

Next part.

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Ijsbear · 21/03/2022 18:49

25k would be a lot of dead soldiers. Is it remotely feasible?

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Ijsbear · 21/03/2022 18:51

.. or 17k ...

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 18:52

Joey Garrison @joeygarrison
President Biden “reiterates” warnings that Russia could conduct malicious cyber activity against the U.S. “based on evolving intelligence that the Russian Government is exploring options for potential cyberattacks.”

Deputy National Security Advisor Anne Neuberger: "The Russian government is exploring options for potential cyber attacks on critical infrastructure in the United States. To be clear, there is no certainty there will be a cyber incident on critical infrastructure."

PestorPeston · 21/03/2022 18:53

The sort of warfare being carried out in Ukraine - there are going to be an incredible amount of dead people, on both sides.

DuncinToffee · 21/03/2022 18:54

Alex Ward
Pro-Kremlin tabloid: 9,861 Russian soldiers died in Ukraine and 16,153 were injured, citing Russian Ministry of Defense numbers
twitter.com/alexbward/status/1505974401975656451?t=PTtIPReIJe5LvHZFhFNgRw&s=19

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 18:55

@Ijsbear

.. or 17k ...
There was a thread earlier today that pretty much said it was probable...
RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:01

[quote DuncinToffee]Alex Ward
Pro-Kremlin tabloid: 9,861 Russian soldiers died in Ukraine and 16,153 were injured, citing Russian Ministry of Defense numbers
twitter.com/alexbward/status/1505974401975656451?t=PTtIPReIJe5LvHZFhFNgRw&s=19[/quote]
Article has already been deleted!

BreadInCaptivity · 21/03/2022 19:01

[quote AlecTrevelyan006]Ukraine is winning

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia/627121/[/quote]

Excellent article and I personally very much agree with the final paragraph;

"As for the endgame, it should be driven by an understanding that Putin is a very bad man indeed, but not a shy one. When he wants an off-ramp, he will let us know. Until then, the way to end the war with the minimum of human suffering is to pile on."

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:07

Erin Cunningham @erinmcunningham
One of many cascading crises tied to this war: About 80% of Lebanon's wheat imports come from Ukraine. And because an explosion at the Beirut port destroyed the city's grain silos, Lebanon only has the capacity to store reserves for one month.

MagicFox · 21/03/2022 19:10

Russian checkpoints have flag of USSR on them: twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1505978292465246222?s=21

prettybird · 21/03/2022 19:13

As a counter to those few posters who try to use the existence of the Asov Battalion as a justification for the “need” Hmm for Russia to invade in order to “de-nazify” Ukraine quite apart from the fact that both the President and the PM are Jewish Confused, this is useful to put the so called "risk" into perspective:

In the 2019 Ukrainian elections, the far-right nationalist electoral alliance, including Svoboda, National Corpss^, Right Sector, Azov Battalion, OUN, and Congress of Ukrainian Nationalistss^, underperformed expectations. In the presidential electionn^, its candidate Ruslan Koshulynskyii^ received 1.6% of the vote, and in the parliamentary electionn^, it was reduced to a single seat and saw its national vote fall to 2.15%, half of its result from 2014 and one-quarter of its result from 2012.

Quote is from Wikipedia but I’ve checked the sources and I’ve seen the same info across a range of analyses - Wikipedia just puts it the most succinctly.

This article also makes a similar point (although you have to get to near the bottom of it). Genuine Nazi and far-right support is probably higher in other countries - like the USA, Hungary, Poland, France, Belgium, Italy, Sweden….. and so on Confused

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083677765/putin-denazify-ukraine-russia-history

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 21/03/2022 19:17

That really puts it in perspective prettybird. I think we did well to ignore the last potential troll/bot on here. Presumably they'll go somewhere else if people refuse to engage with them.

MarshaBradyo · 21/03/2022 19:20

[quote AlecTrevelyan006]Ukraine is winning

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia/627121/[/quote]
Appreciate this article too

DrBlackbird · 21/03/2022 19:24

[quote PaperTyger]@DrBlackbird

I'm hoping your response was tongue in cheek because my reply was to sagein above who actually asked that question?

Confused[/quote]
Yes it was tongue in cheek. I realised you were replying to sage. Me too. Smile

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:25

President Biden @POTUS
United States government official
I spoke with President Macron, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Draghi, and Prime Minister Johnson today to discuss our coordinated responses to Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified attack on Ukraine, and our ongoing support for the Ukrainian people.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:30

John Schindler @20committee
If the data's accurate no idea if it is yet a KIA:WIA ratio of 1:1.6 hasn't been seen in developed militaries in the modern age. Yes, 21C weapons are highly lethal, but also the RU MoD medical system has collapsed...if true.

Seeing a lot of comments like this.

Worth reflecting back on the thread by @markhertling earlier today for why that realistically might be true:
twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1505890299163381764

MrsLargeEmbodied · 21/03/2022 19:36

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60825226

frank gardner is another knowledgeable person

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:38

Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
Russian state news wire TASS reports that over 62,000 people from Mariupol have been evacuated—to Russia.

Abra1d1 · 21/03/2022 19:39

@MrsLargeEmbodied

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60825226

frank gardner is another knowledgeable person

Indeed.
PestorPeston · 21/03/2022 19:48

That KIA:WIA ratio, didn't the Gurkhas get told off for that in the Falklands?

It was DH who called out "where are the Gurkhas?" after I mentioned the ratio.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:48

Sierra Alpha @Sierra__Alpha
Russian Forces starting to lose vehicles by the dozen in the Kherson area.

Expect fighting to intensify there over the coming days.

Ukrainan forces are sat around 35 Kilometres from Kherson city centre as of now, most of that distance is open area.

Keep eyes on Kherson. A LOT happening there today it seems.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:53

Jimmy @JimmySecUK
In the same - now deleted article - the Russians admit to losing 96 fixed wing aircraft and 118 helicopters.

Significantly these two numbers are almost identical to Ukrainian Ministry of Defence estimates..

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2022 19:55

Re the dead numbers

Michael Weiss @michaeldweiss
So either someone published something they shouldn't have at KP or Ukraine's foreign intelligence operations HUMINT or SIGINT are also worthy of our belated attention.

DuncinToffee · 21/03/2022 20:00

Either way, it is out there now.

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