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Ukraine Invasion Part 14

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MagicFox · 17/03/2022 14:49

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DearlyBeloathed · 17/03/2022 14:50

Thank you

shreddednips · 17/03/2022 14:54

Thanks MagicFox!

Lonelycrab · 17/03/2022 15:00

Placemarking. Thanks to all those contributing. Maybe one of these threads soon will see the downfall of poo tin.

Igotjelly · 17/03/2022 15:03

With the news on P&O and the release of Nazanin it feels a little like the Ukraine war is slipping down the headline list. Always thought it would happen at some point, we all have such a short attention span.

Autumnwater · 17/03/2022 15:03

Thank you

ClaudineClare · 17/03/2022 15:03

Thanks MF.

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2022 15:03

Thanks Magic

DGRossetti · 17/03/2022 15:06

pmk

notimagain · 17/03/2022 15:10

@ClaudineClare

(Carry over from previous thread)

I am very confused about the planes and where the info is coming from about them?

The basic info (flight numbers, flight routes, timings) came from the Flightradar tracker app…that’s basically an air traffic related source of information and is probably as objective a source as you can get ATM, certainly less subjective than Twitter etc but it is not infallible and TBF it should be pointed out that it has been hacked in the last week or two.

If you are not aware of the app here is a direct link:

www.flightradar24.com/

A lot of the tweets/screen snap shots such as posted by pps have been taken straight off Flightradar.

Why the aircraft appeared to do what they did is all speculation but the pattern fits with scenarios recognizable to some and similar conclusions have been reached in other corners of social media.

This is not just an event/alarm that has only raised eyebrows on Mumsnet.

Goldenbear · 17/03/2022 15:12

Thanks MF.

ClaudineClare, the planes and their movements, I agree. I am wondering who the ultimate source of this is. I mean the speculation around them, has it tallied with the news reports so far, what concrete correlations between the tracking of the planes and the outcomes the speculation has predicted have come true- does anybody have an answer to that?

MissConductUS · 17/03/2022 15:13

Thanks. Let's hope that by the time this one fills up there's less suffering going on in Ukraine.

I'm really liking the war coverage in the WSJ. Here's the start of a piece they ran today (sorry for the paywall). Putin continues to tell the world and his own people that it's all going according to plan.

How Russia’s Revamped Military Fumbled the Invasion of Ukraine - Moscow spent years upgrading its capabilities, only to see the armed forces fail their first major test, confounding earlier Western assessments and giving Ukraine a boost

For over a decade, Russia spent hundreds of billions of dollars restructuring its military into a smaller, better equipped and more-professional force that could face off against the West.

Three weeks into Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, its first big test, the armed forces have floundered. Western intelligence estimated last week that 5,000 to 6,000 Russian troops had been killed, some of them poorly trained conscripts.

The dead included four Russian generals—one-fifth of the number estimated to be in Ukraine—along with other senior commanders, according to a Western official and Ukrainian military reports. The generals were close to the front lines, some Western officials said, a sign that lower ranks in forward units were likely unable to make decisions or fearful of advancing.

Russian troops turned to using open telephone and analog radios following the failure of encrypted communications systems, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry has said, making them vulnerable to intercept or jamming. Russian officers were likely targeted after their positions were exposed by their use of open communications, Western military analysts said.

In the strategically located town of Voznesensk, Ukrainian forces comprising local volunteers and the professional military drove off an attack early this month, in one of the most comprehensive routs Russian forces have suffered since invading Ukraine.

Russia’s failings appear to trace to factors ranging from the Kremlin’s wrong assumptions about Ukrainian resistance to the use of poorly motivated conscript soldiers. They suggest that Russia and the West overestimated Moscow’s overhauls of its armed forces, which some military analysts say appear to have been undermined by graft and misreporting.

The military’s previous outings in staged maneuvers and smaller operations in Syria didn’t prepare it for a multipronged attack into a country with a military fiercely defending its homeland, said Michael Kofman, director of Russia studies at CNA, a nonprofit research organization based in Arlington, Va.

“The failures that we’re seeing now is them having to work with a larger force than they’ve ever employed in real combat conditions as opposed to an exercise,” he said. “These exercises that we’ve been shown over the years are very scripted events and closer to theater than anything else.”

DuncinToffee · 17/03/2022 15:14

Jedward wish everyone a happy St Patrick’s Day ‘except Vladimir Putin’. He’s finished.

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BringBackCoffeeCreams · 17/03/2022 15:14

pmk

Natsku · 17/03/2022 15:17

Thanks for the new thread.

So is Sweden restarting conscription? That's quite a reaction.

Regarding the planes, I'd definitely want to get out of Russia if I was an oligarch and I'd reckon putin would want to stop them leaving so might command planes to return?

ClaudineClare · 17/03/2022 15:19

Thanks notimagain.

I thought it might have originated from Flightradar.

So basically, people on SM who watch Flightradar, noticed something unusual, which prompted speculation which has resulted in some people stoking panic?

Has anyone reliable commented publically?

AgnesWestern · 17/03/2022 15:23

That info about Sweden and the end of May has reassured me, thank you.
As you say they wouldn’t be waiting that long if there was an imminent threat.

Trying to calm down is hard, but I suppose if randoms on Twitter are picking things up re: planes and unusual flights surely US and European intelligence will be too? And we haven’t heard anything worrying as yet.

notimagain · 17/03/2022 15:25

@ClaudineClare

Thanks notimagain.

I thought it might have originated from Flightradar.

So basically, people on SM who watch Flightradar, noticed something unusual, which prompted speculation which has resulted in some people stoking panic?

Has anyone reliable commented publically?

I’m not sure people what sort of comment you are looking for or who you would consider reliable.

I know for a fact it’s not just spotters who looked at this on flight radar and were raising eyebrows.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 17/03/2022 15:26

@Natsku

Thanks for the new thread.

So is Sweden restarting conscription? That's quite a reaction.

Regarding the planes, I'd definitely want to get out of Russia if I was an oligarch and I'd reckon putin would want to stop them leaving so might command planes to return?

They restarted it a few years ago.
CailleachGranda · 17/03/2022 15:27

Thanks for the new thread.

Placemarking

PestorPeston · 17/03/2022 15:27

The usual FlightRadar pundits have mentioned it is a larger than usual mission but that it is not an unusual mission.
People who have never been on a pundit thread before are getting over heated and forecasting doomsday but the regulars are not.

AgnesWestern · 17/03/2022 15:28

It was reading the words ‘Doomsday plane’ that got me in a total panic.

Hope something comes of the talks hosted by Turkey.

ClaudineClare · 17/03/2022 15:30

I’m not sure people what sort of comment you are looking for or who you would consider reliable

I guess I mean people that are not just on Twitter etc, but have a profile that is more widely known.

Goldenbear · 17/03/2022 15:31

If you work in the government and part of your job is to track such flights you are not going to be basing your information on Flight Radar!

ClaudineClare · 17/03/2022 15:32

@PestorPeston

The usual FlightRadar pundits have mentioned it is a larger than usual mission but that it is not an unusual mission. People who have never been on a pundit thread before are getting over heated and forecasting doomsday but the regulars are not.
Maybe they are all off on a teambuilding awayday. God knows, they probably need it.
whytcvv · 17/03/2022 15:33

Any news on abramovich?

Didn't he go to Russia / do we know what he's up to?

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