The Invasion is ongoing...Part 5

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Unbelievable to think that a few days ago the world was starting to look more positive..ye we find ourselves on a fifth thread discussing the horrors of the war in Europe. An unbelievable change has happened to the world we live in.

Some incredible firmed posts have been written, informing, discussing, and occasionally derailing. Let's hope the news is more positive by the end of this one.

Rousette you posted this on the previous thread
There's a thread on Reddit at the moment with a young Russian soldier who has been captured and given the chance to ring home to his Mama. She asks him why he was in Ukraine and he said he was pulled from normal training exercises and told he would be part of a peacekeeping force in Ukraine. He believed that.
He was incredulous that that was not the case and he was the aggressor, hence his capture.
Some of these young Russian kids had no idea what they were being sent to do. He was imploring his Mother to let his Command in Russia know he'd been captured...

That story came from Ukraine's ambassador to the UN Sergiy Kyslytsya
news.sky.com/story/we-were-told-they-would-welcome-us-russian-soldier-moments-before-his-death-in-ukraine-12554511

@thunderonlyhappenswhenits

I get really confused with the news. Does Ukraine want to join nato? And also what does it mean for them applying to join the EU? Isn't that only going to pee putin off even more?

So what? Piss him off, what good has being nice to him achieved?

We have been lickin his backside for 20 years, no matter what he does and he threatens us with annihilation!

I see despite the talk Russians are still doing business here in the UK.

Thank you for reassurance, (I should know better) my rationale is a bit off right now during these awful times, I lived on the military base during Falklands and remember the sirens going off. My thoughts are off course with Ukraine right now unimaginable terror

Please sign and share this petition to waive all visa requirements for Ukrainian refugees.

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Wearily checking in

PmK

Thanks all. Place matting.

Thank you for the new thread.

Anyone else thinking there could be a Russian uprising brewing behind the scenes?

There is other warfare than nuclear. This makes interesting reading about Russia development of EMP weapons.
[[https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1124730.pdf]]

apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1124730.pdf
link feck up, trying again

Thanks for the new thread, these are lasting less than a day which is unbelievable. Thanks for all the insight from those more clued up than I.

Question re supplies to Kyiv... would it be acceptable for food, medical aid etc be air-dropped into the cities by western forces? Would that be seen as becoming directly involved? I take it that any air drops of lethal arms would be seen that way.

It’s just a lot of equipment has been pledged and I don’t understand how it will reach the Ukraine forces.

Won't let me read that @postdatedpandemic

Dropping a missile on/near the burial site of 30K murdered Jews and claiming you want to de-Nazify Ukraine...

Cross posted!!

Checking in thanks for the thread. I'm following a woman on Twitter who left Kyiv this morning . Thank god she's reached her mum in western Ukraine

So in Putin's efforts to De-Nazify Ukraine, he has bombed and partially destroyed the Babyn Yar holocaust memorial. It is a sight of such huge important to the Jewish people as well as historically. It's the sight of the largest European massacre of the Jews and much of it is now just rubble.

@StormzyinaTCup

Thank you for the new thread.

Anyone else thinking there could be a Russian uprising brewing behind the scenes?

Would be good.. A Russian person locally {UK} has a family member in Moscow, and says that 65% of the Russian people are ''Supporting Putin''.

There is apparently much brainwashing in Russia and talks of the 'Wicked West'.

Ukrainian army has supposedly captured a Russian thermobaric rocket launcher, no idea if true as just saw it on twitter mobile.twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1498697710429425672

I put this on the last thread but popping in another recommendation for the new BBC documentary - “Rise of the Nazi’s - Dictators At War”.

It’s a 3 part series focussing mainly on the psychology between Hitler and Stalin and those in their immediate circles. It’s very well done with a historian/expert taking on a single person to talk about.

There are a lot of parallels to draw with what is going on now with regards to poor military campaigning due to dictators believing they knew better than the military.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m00084td/rise-of-the-nazis

[quote Postdatedpandemic]There is other warfare than nuclear. This makes interesting reading about Russia development of EMP weapons.
[[https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1124730.pdf]][/quote]
EMP used to be scary - especially when the Russians 1950s-era valve kit was immune compared to the 1980s high tech CMOS and MOSFET reliant US/UK kit. However it's not directional - so let one of those off and everything in a radius gets zapped.

Also knocking out all comms means you can't broadcast propaganda.

How is Abramovich squaring all this with being a Jew and Israeli citizen and also BFF and beholden to putin. I can’t imagine the awkwardness if he has to face peace talks with Zelensky another rather prominent Jew.

I think in order to reach billionaire status you have to have left any principles behind a long time ago.

@Alexandra2001

I believe that Ukraine would need to accept ruling out ever joining NATO, and also rule out ever re-developing or deploying nuclear weapons in their country.

The nuclear weapons issue has immediately been dismissed in some quarters as false, but if the following comments:

"Ukraine has no other choice: either we are part of an alliance such as NATO and are doing our part to make this Europe stronger, or we have the only option – to arm by ourselves, and maybe think about nuclear status again. How else can we guarantee our defense?"

By Ukraine's Ambassador to Germany (reported by the NYT) are correct, then
we can assume that it'll be part of any ceasefire.

Whether Zelensky will be willing to compromise is another matter. Moreover, weapons has been distributed to civilians and militia groups - clearly, a decision taken in extremis. But what if some of these militia groups - now well armed - decide that they don't accept the terms of any ceasefire or consider the government to have betrayed them in doing so? I think that normal life has disappeared in Ukraine for a very long time.

The Mayor of Vasylkiv yesterday expressed that she saw concessions - but not capitulation - as acceptable in order to end the war. I'm not sure that the militias will see it the same way.

At some point we will have to take a realist perspecitve; that Ukraine poses a security dilemma for Russia if it's incorporated into NATO or treated as a de facto member.

I don't say that to detract from the fact that Russia's actions have been abhorrent, illegal, and totally unacceptable to the international community.

The only real exit ramp is China.
Xi does not have the same messianic zeal for total dominance at any cost.
I would think that the threat of nukes alarmed the Chinese, because it can't be contained locally.

Unconfirmed reports on twitter saying that a Ukranian newspaper has leaked the personal data of 120,000 Russian soldiers currently in Ukraine.