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The Invasion is ongoing...Part 5

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Damnloginpopup · 01/03/2022 15:57

Unbelievable to think that a few days ago the world was starting to look more positive..ye we find ourselves on a fifth thread discussing the horrors of the war in Europe. An unbelievable change has happened to the world we live in.

Some incredible firmed posts have been written, informing, discussing, and occasionally derailing. Let's hope the news is more positive by the end of this one.

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HeadPain · 02/03/2022 20:42

I know the possible implications, but how many Ukrainians have to die before we/NATO do something more? Would we really stand by and not send troops? Let him take Ukraine? Let him kill how many? Then let him do what next?

Not just about Putin either. If he succeeds, others get the green light too.

UN is useless.

Alexandra2001 · 02/03/2022 20:42

Theres also a report of a MiG-21 having just disappeared in Romania whilst on patrol over the Black Sea and the rescue helicopter sent after it has been confirmed as crashed. But the helicopter pilot reported appalling conditions locally before the crash so its being regarded as an accident rather than something more significant at this stage. But again you can feel the nerves...

If we are relying on mig 21's we are fucked, they are a 1960s jet.

notimagain · 02/03/2022 20:42

[quote youhadmeatjello]@yoolia what kind of plane? That’s quite vague. Do you have a link? I’ve not seen that reported anywhere else.[/quote]
I’ve seen the report, supposed to be a MIG-21….so given the vintage and technology involved I wouldn’t yet be rushing to any conclusions.

CatAndHisKit · 02/03/2022 20:42

and I mean intolerable on a strong visceral level - literally can't cope with it.

toastfiend · 02/03/2022 20:42

@yoolia

In more positive news, the US cancelled a long planned ICBM test that was meant to take place, so nothing could be misinterpreted in these high tension times.

Nice to have grown ups in charge, over there at least.

Couldn't agree more.
HeadPain · 02/03/2022 20:43

It definitely matters to Europe that Putin doesn't win

DuncinToffee · 02/03/2022 20:43

Kherson has fallen to the Russian military, becoming the first major Ukrainian city to come under Russian control since the invasion last week. The mayor, Igor Kolykhaev, told me he met today with the Russian commander who plans to set up a military administration.
twitter.com/mschwirtz/status/1499114918661996550?t=Wb-KneRAbhsGbIc_HZS0Gg&s=19

TheSillyMastiff · 02/03/2022 20:44

@kingat

Just reading the UN voting table, interesting bunch of allies. I dont actually understand what UN is for. My questions are probably really stupid, but I honestly dont see the point of it. They dont have any power over anything, do they? They just talk, is it basically a platorm where all countries in the world can meet up? But what do they do everyday, seems extremaly expensive, who pays for it? They had conference in NY and two days later in Geneva, are there two bases then?
The UN was "birthed" at the end of WW2 it was in its infancy to assure that conflict at such a global scale did not happen again, it was a place for countries to discuss, a forum of diplomacy and international conversation. It has grown in size but it does still do good work. The UN has peace keeping missions, it can deliver aid and mobilise troops for peace keeping/aid (like the ebola crisis in Africa), it's also a platform to discuss society like women's rights, global warming and other social issues.

How it's funded. Well it's complex, but basically in a nutshell every member pays a "membership fee" how it's calculated I don't quite now probably by GDP and so forth but the 2 biggest payers are the US who pays 22% of its "general cost" and 28% of its "peace keeping budget" followed by the UK as the second largest funder.

The UN also takes payments from foundations, Bill and Melinda Gates foundation being a big contributor.

One thing it does do is give an idea of how nations are allied politically, you can see this by their "voting patterns".

Whilst it has no immediate power as such, it can't declare war because that's against its main objective, it can offer aid, it can help broker peace and it can help economically developing countries.

The UN is not a war machine, its sole purpose was to prevent war. It can however apply sanctions such as global travel bans and financial penalties to nations.

Alexandra2001 · 02/03/2022 20:45

But I’m not hearing many commentators talk about going into Ukraine, and we’ve had statements re what will happen in Putin enters a NATO country

We, inc UK, promised to protect Ukraine if they gave up Nukes... that worked out well for them.

I do not believe the USA would come to Latvia's aid & with a likely Trump/Republican win in 2024, even less probable.

DuncinToffee · 02/03/2022 20:46

[quote DuncinToffee]Kherson has fallen to the Russian military, becoming the first major Ukrainian city to come under Russian control since the invasion last week. The mayor, Igor Kolykhaev, told me he met today with the Russian commander who plans to set up a military administration.
twitter.com/mschwirtz/status/1499114918661996550?t=Wb-KneRAbhsGbIc_HZS0Gg&s=19[/quote]
The BBC cannot independently verify this statement and earlier today US defence officials said that Kherson "remains very much a contested city".

HeadPain · 02/03/2022 20:46

The UN has human rights abusers on their human rights council and women's rights abusers on their women's rights council

Peregrina · 02/03/2022 20:47

List of MPs who personally received Russian donations.

I only notice one Labour MPs name on there. Makes Clavinova's Whataboutery about Blair and Brown look a little pathetic. Not to mention that when Blair and Brown were in office the USSR collapse was still recent, but now the Tories have had a decade to clean up the situation. Obviously they decided not to bother.

HeadPain · 02/03/2022 20:48

We, inc UK, promised to protect Ukraine if they gave up Nukes... that worked out well for them.

I learned this just yesterday. Shock

Bluebellsunderthetrees · 02/03/2022 20:48

@MarshaBradyo So the claim is Ukrainians are bombing their own schools, residential areas and killing people

Yes if they are the wrong type of Ukrainian i e one that wants independence. 14000 Ukrainians have been killed in their civil war so it's not a stretch . I did read that explosive devices had been put on residential properties but didn't believe it. Putin is mad but some of the Ukrainian army is not far behind. www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/two-greeks-shot-dead-by-ukrainian-soldiers/

Tigersonvaseline · 02/03/2022 20:48

So for the UN, Russia builds up outside a democrat country, how come UN peacekeeping also couldn't Rush in to put a military barrier up?

Peace keeping

yoolia · 02/03/2022 20:49

There is not a single sensible commentator or expert who thinks nato forces should put boots on the ground in Ukraine. Listen to them.

CatAndHisKit · 02/03/2022 20:50

This is a very fast-moving thread, I think people don't quite understand Putin - he's not juts driven by logic hence the major miscalculation of the effort needed.
So provocation from Zalensky to him is just that - being a US puppet and trying to join EU and poss NatO, also not letting the separatists separate. Putin hates the US and to him it's intlorale that Ukraine (bu eright part of russia as he sees it0 is falling under the rule of US via the current govt.

And I mean intolerable on a strong visceral level - literally can't cope with it. He really is not a cold fish as many think, but that makes him dangerous (to himself too as it turned out, he knows he may lose his status now).

OTOH he needs to sack his intelligence chief on Ukraine public opinion. Though possibly he even went against the intel.

BreadInCaptivity · 02/03/2022 20:50

We are going to need a new thread....

Damnloginpopup · 02/03/2022 20:51

Thread 6 is ready to go. 'this shit js getting real' as they say. I've woken to news that has got so much worse

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4495271-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-6?watched=1

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Tigersonvaseline · 02/03/2022 20:51

Peregrine
I don't view reminding people that many oligarchs root's were firmly put down under a labour government (that I voted forBlush) as.. what about ery.

More like...all government And parties are

Tigersonvaseline · 02/03/2022 20:52

Vulnerable to corruption,all must be transparent going forward

Alexandra2001 · 02/03/2022 20:55

@yoolia

There is not a single sensible commentator or expert who thinks nato forces should put boots on the ground in Ukraine. Listen to them.
I can have my own views thank you, there are plenty of people who think we need to go further.
strawberriesarenot · 02/03/2022 20:56

@coffeeandbiscuittime

Anyone just watching Channel 4 news? Matt Frei"s interview asked the Russian former politician how it feels to be part of a pariah state and he eventually terminated the interview. He was so angry with her.
I thought it was a bit irresponsible. He just made her dig her heels in harder than ever. The Zelensky question was out of order too.
coffeeandbiscuittime · 02/03/2022 20:59

I agree it was quite scary but he said in the next clip that his emotions were running high- I know he is there 'by choice' but I got the feeling he is scared. ( as we all are).

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