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The invasion continues - Thread No.4

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ChimChimeny · 28/02/2022 17:48

Following the previous (2? 3?) Threads

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4492641-The-Invasion-Has-Stalled

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Igotjelly · 28/02/2022 17:49

Phew found you!

BeyondPurpleTulips · 28/02/2022 17:50

Three :)

Thanks for the new thread.

I have a(nother...) question. Why do people on Twitter (many, many people) keep asking NATO to "close the skies" over Ukraine. The skies are already "closed", surely (ie military and aid aircraft only)?

C8H10N4O2 · 28/02/2022 17:51

I think this would be #4 - is it worth marking the number in the thread title and putting all previous threads in the OP?

ChimChimeny · 28/02/2022 17:52

Tagging a few of the regulars from the last couple of pages

@Damnloginpopup
@MarshaBradyo
@Igotjelly
@Olden
@Ncwinc
@DuncinToffee
@NotJustACigar
@jgw1
@CaveMum

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BeyondPurpleTulips · 28/02/2022 17:52

It has its own hashtag? Confused

Plus, surely as a non-NATO member, it's nothing to do with them how open the sky is anyway?

The invasion continues - Thread No.4
DuncinToffee · 28/02/2022 17:52

Thank you, tried to post this on the previous thread but it was full

BREAKING: FIFA/UEFA suspend Russian clubs and national teams from all competitions
twitter.com/danroan/status/1498351370545643523?t=fiiGlObJBGvyDaVkVRpZjQ&s=19

ChimChimeny · 28/02/2022 17:53

@C8H10N4O2

I think this would be #4 - is it worth marking the number in the thread title and putting all previous threads in the OP?
Yes probably, that's what is always done with the covid stats threads. I was in a rush so only linked the last one but we could definitely add the rest in this one and to the OP next time
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Ncwinc · 28/02/2022 17:53

Russia are still shelling Ukraine. Putin is still lying. Thread 2.

Pernot165 · 28/02/2022 17:55

I'm so heartened to read that there are several Russian oliagarch speaking out in condemnation and requesting peace.

Also over the bloody moon about the men on snake island.

I'll take all the positive news I can atm.

Papyrus · 28/02/2022 17:56

@BeyondPurpleTulips

It has its own hashtag? Confused

Plus, surely as a non-NATO member, it's nothing to do with them how open the sky is anyway?

I think they want NATO countries to provide air cover over Ukraine. But obviously can't do that without shooting down Russian planes, which would start WW3, so it's a no go.
Gingerwarthog · 28/02/2022 17:56

Thank you @ChimChimeny.
I was looking for the new thread.

BreadInCaptivity · 28/02/2022 17:57

Village in Ukraine on boarder with Belarus refuse to let their former neighbours across the border and errect a large speaker to play the Ukrainian national anthem.

twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1498322999203835914?s=21

You've got to say these people have got balls.

EezyOozy · 28/02/2022 17:58

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Greattimestroubledtimes · 28/02/2022 17:58

I agree, it's just too difficult otherwise

MMBaranova · 28/02/2022 17:59

Have had a day trying to not follow things. Did a lot of work.

I did notice this near the end of the last thread:

Moldova is your nearest but they have neutrality agreement with Russia.

Moldova has already been Ukrained / Georgiaed. Look up Transnistria if you need more info. It is a frozen conflict statelet running down between one bank of the Dniester and the border with Ukraine. I haven't been there but two friends visited because they try to (very foolhardily) tick off exclaves, enclaves and statelets that are not widely recognised.

Lonelycrab · 28/02/2022 17:59

Thanks for the new thread. So he’s made assurances to Macron that he’ll stop civilian strikes, and just a few hours later it sounds like they’re just carrying on, if not intensifyingSad

NCdBcOuting · 28/02/2022 17:59

Thank you for the new thread.

I’m trying to get my head around a couple of things:

  • has the price of gold shot up the last few days?
  • am I right that the rouble is worth ~30% less today than it was last week?

Do oligarchs care about the rouble? Presumably not as much as they care about other sanctions that hit their assets/transactions? But I suppose the Russian state cares about the rouble, which is why trading has been suspended (as per previous thread).

CaveMum · 28/02/2022 18:00

Thanks for the new thread @ChimChimeny

covetingthepreciousthings · 28/02/2022 18:01

Thanks for new thread

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2022 18:04

Re denazification.

Its an example of rendering language meaningless. It's deliberate.

The Russian state has a lot of its identity post WW2 in terms of how the glorious empire of the Soviet Union defeated the Nazis. In a way not dissimilar to our own national identity. It says 'Hey we are the Good Guys'

However Putin is behaving like a Nazi and the state media is using phrases like 'solution to the Jewish question'.

But if Putin accuses his enemy as being Nazis he is both trying to tap into this nostalgic sense of identity and nationalism and has already used up the discourse over Nazis.

It renders the ability to talk about Nazis more difficult for the opposition. No one knows what a Nazi is anymore, so it renders it impossible to use.

Hes also tapping into older anti-semitic and genuine Nazi sentiment with the Ukrainian Solution language. There has been a big rise in far right groups in Russia so this appeals to him.

Thus Putin is both anti-fascist and fascist at the same time. Again rendering the word meaningless.

Its an Orwellian type trick well detailed in 1984 which in turn was based on Soviet style brain washing. You say things are both one thing which is completely the opposite to reality. How many fingers am I holding up Winston.

Its all about empire, making it harder to question genocidal behaviour and an invasion.

Remember this is all about the notion of Soviet/Russian Empire. It is the classic looking back to history as something to aspire to (Hitler was trying to recreate a notion of a modern Roman Empire which would last a thousand years).

So don't think its nonsense or bullshit. Its playing to several different Russian audiences at the same time and trying to occupy the space which opposition would also normally hold.

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2022 18:04

@Lonelycrab

Thanks for the new thread. So he’s made assurances to Macron that he’ll stop civilian strikes, and just a few hours later it sounds like they’re just carrying on, if not intensifyingSad
He is playing to a Russian audience.
timetochangeusername · 28/02/2022 18:05

Thanks for thread, really helpful discussion.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 28/02/2022 18:07

has the price of gold shot up the last few days?

I read that Putin is going to have to sell Russia's gold reserves now that all their other foreign assets have been frozen, so it is likely to go down in the near future.

Tigersonvaseline · 28/02/2022 18:07

Ukraine does have planes?
Can't the planes bomb the tanks etc?
How did Russia carpet bomb them?

EwwSprouts · 28/02/2022 18:07

@RedToothBrush Thanks that explains quite a bit.

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