Why don't men get a choice attempt 2

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I am curious as to why men who have been lied to by women hoping to fall pregnant should be held responsible for the child (providing they did everything they could on their part to prevent pregnancy whilst enjoying a healthy sex life as a human with desires should be able to do).
I don't see why they don't get the choice to walk away and say they didn't want this, they did everything they could to stop it but they were lied to and so they weren't as protected as they thought.
Yes the child loses out on a father and possibly child maintenance depending on just how much the father walks away but the mother should be prepared to explain this when the child is old enough as it is her fault as she lied specifically to fall pregnant knowing the father didn't want this.
I don't think men should get a say in abortion for many reasons but in the same breath I don't think women should be able to "trap" men in this way when they know exactly how the man feels.
When both people use contraception such as the pill and a condom and still an accident happens then I believe maybe the man should be held slightly more accountable as there was no deception, just something went wrong in the universe that day and a child was conceived. That might not make sense as both the lied to man and the man who just got unlucky are in the same situation really but I guess the difference is the lied to man had less of a choice because he didn't know the full story even though he believed he did.
I also don't understand why a man pretending to use a condom is a rapist but a woman pretending to use contraception is just a horrible person who faces no real consequences.

I suspect you don’t understand because you’re not very smart or and have low emotional intelligence. Not everyone can understand everything, doesn’t make it wrong

Because it’s not about the father or the other but about a child who can’t look after themselves.

If it’s a problem for you though OP - there’s always the male pill, a vasectomy or abstinence. No ones got a gun to your head forcing you to shag all these awful scheming women.

Mother not other.

Full moon?

Sperm equals babies. The end.

Unless you want one abstain or snip it's that simple

What is going on tonight? I'm guessing the other 2 threads have been deleted?

No sperm, no babies. That clear enough for you, OP?

Jesus what is going on tonight???

Oh bugger off

Why do you think you have a right to consequence free sex?

Here it is in simple terms.
Men produce sperm. When you ejaculate into a woman’s vagina, whatever contraception is being used, there is a risk of that sperm fertilising an egg and a baby being born. Once that baby is born, whatever the circumstances of its conception, it needs supporting.

I'm actually a pregnant woman myself (though I didn't lie to get pregnant) but yes valid points about abstinence and not having to "shag" about.
I'm not trying to be stupid I'm just trying to understand other people's viewpoints on something which I don't understand but thanks for the insult, really helpful.
If a woman was totally innocent and it was a pure accident then she shouldn't have to go it alone but if she lied to get pregnant I don't see why she shouldn't suck it up when things don't go according to her disgusting plan.

How do you propose all theses poor, wounded men prove the woman was lying? This sounds like a ‘get out of jail free’ card for any deadbeat that doesn’t want to face up the consequences of their actions.

Women's rights are under attack: MRA's on mumsnet. What wonderful times we live in.

On the off-chance that you are genuinely confused, how many women do you think lie? Women know the impact that pregnancy, childbirth and children make on their lives, all too well.

Why do you think there is so much investment in telling us that women and girls lie so much?

Your starters for 10

there’s always the male pill, a vasectomy or abstinence. No ones got a gun to your head forcing you to shag all these awful scheming women.

Don't get me wrong, I'm against the OP's viewpoint. But are you seriously suggesting that an 18 year old university student should get the Male pill(virtually unheard of), have a vasectomy or not have sex at all in case they have sex with a woman who lies to them about contraception?

Seriously, how many women lie to get pregnant? It’s just a sexist myth

If you can a punishment for the lies that won't hurt the child but would prevent other women from doing the same thing. Then I would not hesitate to support you.
But from my understanding is that you want to abandon your child because his/ her mother lied to you. I would never support that. What has the baby done, that warrants abandonment?

My starters for 10, which I forgot to add: men, if you're so confused, and so convinced you don't want children, don't have sex. Start campaigning for some serious male contraception pills or have a vasectomy. You are not powerless. You are not without choice.

You were willing to have sex. But you did NOT ensure you did everything to prevent pregnancy.

You did not get latex free condoms, for instance.

When you had sex, you placed faith in the woman that she had done what she said. That was your mistake.

You do not get to walk away because pregnancy is a risk with all sex. NO contraception is 100% therefore you always take a risk of this eventuality happening.

You do not get to walk away because it is not the child's fault that you were complacent.

Step up to the plate for that child. You don't have to be in a relationship with the woman, for gods sake, but you can at least be a decent man and a decent father. Own your mistake and deal with it!

Sex is literally for procreation. The rest is a bonus. That is why you have to actively stop this from happening, even then there is no guarantee. It's always a risk.
The urges and desires we feel is instinct for spreading our seed, that's also why it feels good...to get you to do it...so the human race continues...otherwise it wouldn't...
Don't want a baby? Don't have sex. As a man, that is your choice. Tough if you don't think that's fair.

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