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DS is constantly grabbing bottoms

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TheVeryHungryDieter · 21/10/2018 12:29

Because bottoms are, obviously, hilarious. 

He keeps smacking, patting and grabbing bottoms, pulling pants down to see underwear, grabbing at willies, trying to take pictures of bottoms when he manages to get DH's phone.

He does it to DH, friends at school, his 3yo sister

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Getoffthetableplease · 21/10/2018 19:59

This is not typical behaviour. It sounds like your son has been abused, or needs help. You cannot carry on like this, I know you know that (or you wouldn't be on here) but this isn't a case for just punishing him, you need actual help. You absolutely need to protect the children he is doing this to and make sure he is okay too. I'd be urgently phoning the drs, and keeping him away from everyone in the meantime.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 21/10/2018 20:04

He goes up at half 8 and if he's not that tired he'll be awake til 9:30 or 10pm while one of us is always sitting on the landing to block him from getting down the stairs

So he is alone with your DH on the nights your dh is stopping him leaving his room?
I am not accusing your dh of anything untoward but just pointing out that he is alone with other adults including school breakfast club.

If this is genuine, you need to take get your son some help.

ColdAndSad · 21/10/2018 20:04

Reading this thread has sent shivers right through me. I was that small child, acting out and behaving inappropriately, because I was surrounded by abusive adults who modelled that behaviour to me.

Everythingthe grabbing, the acting out at bedtimes and bathtimes, everythingsounds familiar to me.

OP, please get lots of help for you and your children. Don't wait. Do it now. Take time off work to make sure it happens quickly. Or this is going to get even worse, and irreversible damage might be done.

EvePolastriSorryBaby · 21/10/2018 20:05

Breakfast and after school club are an all-female team, I'm one of but never the earliest and they are all very nice.

@TheVeryHungryDieter - this makes you sound like a complete moron and if this is how you decide whether or not a situation is safe, you are an incompetent parent.

ShadyLady53 · 21/10/2018 20:24

Anyone can abuse. Women, men, other children. It can take seconds. There are numerous threads on here where posters mention being abused in the living room whilst sat on a relative’s knee or beside them in the sofa whilst their parent was in the kitchen making a cup of tea or changing a sibling.

A child on holiday in Blackpool last week was raped by a complete stranger, a fairly young and kindly seeming man, in the toilets at an amusement arcade at 10.30am. The assault only stopped when Mum, standing near the toilets, shouted her child’s name realising he’d been gone a little longer than normal. It was a matter of minutes.

I was sexually assaulted as a 12 year old going up the stairs in a McDonalds. It didn’t even last a minute and he grabbed me from behind so I never saw his face, only his trainers.

My cousin was raped at a sleepover by another cousin the same age as her. They were children. A very similar thing happened to my SIL.

A gay friend casually admitted he lost his virginity aged 12 to an 18 year old female babysitter. When he described it, it was clearly non-consensual.

You need to be a bit less naive.

SubtitlesOn · 21/10/2018 20:25

Who looks after him during school holidays while you are working?

mikado1 · 21/10/2018 20:26

I really, really believe firm boundaries and daily quality time could make a massive difference fairly quickly here. I don't think your ds can be feeling too safe in terms of who's in charge here and his acting out following negative attention could very well be a symptom of that situation, it's frightening for them to feel their carers are not in charge, and it's no small thing.

This link may be helpful, worth a readmacnamara.ca/portfolio/reclaiming-the-lead-with-an-alpha-children-in-the-lead/ I think you know you need to up your game here OP. I wish you the very best. I'm repeating myself so I won't post the same thoughts again. Hope things go well.

ShadyLady53 · 21/10/2018 20:29

Can’t stop thinking about this. I’d be taking a day off work if I were you and talking to him and taking him to the GP. This is an urgent situation.

PreseaCombatir · 21/10/2018 20:36

This is really serious. if someone did this to my dd at school, all hell would break loose. Your dd might be ‘best friends’ with him, but she’s clearly so used to him touching her up.
Sorry to be so blunt, but this needs to be sorted.

TheVeryHungryDieter · 21/10/2018 20:58

Um, quality time. There's not a lot. And he needs more, I know he does. I do homework with him and his reading, and I go in a bit later at least one morning a week so I can make him breakfast and do his library books and read together, and see the teacher. Before he was in school I had Wednesdays and Fridays off and used to take them out for the day. I don't anymore but I do have some flexibility.

At weekends they only want DH and get upset if he does something with the other one, but they each have an activity at the same time on Saturday so we each do one - and we swap who we take, so every other weekend I do football and the next ballet. Neither of them like having me as DH always buys them sweets or biscuits after. I won't buy a sharing pouch of sweets and insist on a small roll of sweets after sports or a soreen loaf, or that they can wait til we get home because we have [preferred treat] there anyway. (Mean mummy!)

I finish early some Fridays but he's just started an activity after school on Fridays that he really likes, he never wants to leave, so it's 5pm or so by the time we get home in evening traffic, and I'm making tea. In school hols he comes to work with me and goes to an accredited childcare facility run by my employer with about 20 other kids, and I take him out for lunch and sometimes we go shopping for books after if DH can get DD, otherwise we are running for the train back.

I've just started watching Doctor Who with him. I couldn't care less but I think he'd enjoy it and associate it as something we do together. He talks all the way through it and has tons of questions so it's mostly me explaining science fiction to him!

I don't think he's abused, autistic or a rapist. I think he's naturally a very defiant little boy who has to do it the hard way every time, with a very worrying behaviour that I loathe and want to stop as quickly as I can, and I've had some good advice to help me work on that.

Asking nicely usually doesn't get me anywhere. I've always had to force him to bend to my will, but when DH is around not only is he bending, but if I'm not he will growl at me for DS's tantrum "I hope you're proud of yourself" and the like.

It once took me an hour and half to get DS to say sorry for an offence as a preschooler through the usual discipline method: in your room to calm down, think about what you've done, I'll come in in five minutes, are you ready to say sorry to daddy. Rinse and repeat. After half an hour of relentless angry screaming from toddler DS, DH was so furious with me for keeping this up he couldn't look at me. He didn't undermine me thankfully and after 90 minutes he got a hug and a genuine apology. It absolutely works if you wear him down but it is a pain in the arse.

I get caught up in the battle of wills. He can be sensitive and take things to heart so I do think there's a good chance the talk will work (I need to run through it with DH tonight so we are on the same page) but I'm so used to not being able to ask him nicely for anything, I think I've forgotten to try.

He's not always like this though, he's very capable of being a sweet and loving child and the feedback I get is that he's very sweet and caring with the "little ones" when he was at nursery or with younger cousins etc. It's his peers he thinks he can try to be "funny" with or his sister who laughs the first time but he thinks will laugh again if he keeps it up - or sometimes just doesn't care if he winds her up. Not likely to touch or smack bums of random children. Best friend, same-age cousin, younger sister, dad = all fair game to him. Except they are really, really not!!!

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Thenewdoctor · 21/10/2018 21:17

Why are you almost laughing at this? And your strategies to manage him.

lunar1 · 21/10/2018 21:18

Your last post is worrying, this is way beyond the pair of you talking to him.

Graphista · 21/10/2018 21:24

Sorry but I think you're massively sticking your head in the sand!

Even IF "all" it is, is your children being stuck in the middle of extremes of different parenting styles (which I personally think REALLY isn't the whole story) even not dealing with THAT, by getting professional support is imo irresponsible and neglectful even bordering on abusive in itself.

Early intervention is CRUCIAL when there are problems.

peachypetite · 21/10/2018 21:27

Why aren't you taking this more seriously?!

toomuchsplother · 21/10/2018 21:28

I did say quite specifically I didn't think your son was Autistic.
I do think that the lack of consistency in your parenting is very confusing for your son. This is a massive issue which will not be sorted straight away. However your priority has to be working out with your DH how you are going to deal with this particular issue effectively, consistently and firmly.
I get that one parent is often more liberal than the other but on important issues you have to come together. Show your husband this thread. I do think that this may well be a little boys obsession with all things bottom gone too far. BUT it is, as you have seen a massive red flag for all kinds of other things. And any professional worth their salt will be raising it as safeguarding issue.
It's flipping hard bringing up kids and working hard but this can't carry on.

Thenewdoctor · 21/10/2018 21:35

You basically think it’s kinda cute and a bit funny and he knows it. It’s coming through in your posts here so it’s even more in real life.

TheVeryHungryDieter · 21/10/2018 21:41

Thanks for all the useful suggestions.

I'm a bit tired of feeling like shit for something that I'm gravely concerned about to the point of canvassing opinions, and I want to concentrate on spending time with MIL today and moving forward in a positive way tomorrow, so I'm hiding the thread.

Goodnight all, thanks again.

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UseditUpandWoreitOut · 21/10/2018 21:43

Long post for someone that can't find time to support, guide or talk to her troubled son.
You've spent a lot of today posting on here.

UseditUpandWoreitOut · 21/10/2018 21:45

Have a biscuit @TheVeryHungryDieter

winecigsandchoc · 21/10/2018 21:46

I'm not surprised your son didn't want to say sorry to your DH. Who buys them sweets, treats and makes you "mean mummy" (grooming potentially).

There is huge scope for abuse. He's in full time childcare without your supervision. There will be adults and children interacting with him all day long. Just because they are all female doesn't mean squat anymore. Also children can and do abuse other children.

If you were me and I had posted this thread in good faith I would be utterly shitting myself at the VERY VALID safeguarding concerns posters have raised. I wouldn't be able to rest until I had got professional help for my son.

LISTEN to what people are saying. Don't laugh it off. Several posters (myself included) have extensive safeguarding training.

Something is not right here. It is YOUR JOB as a parent to find out what. For your little girl and for your son. It is neglectful abuse to claim ignorance now you have started this thread.

Juells · 21/10/2018 21:46

A huge fight erupted in the street outside my house, I had to call the police, because the little boy next door said another small boy on the street had touched his penis. I believe it happened, as I've seen the accused boy pulling down a smaller child's pants. The father of the accused boy had the other father around the throat, with both mothers trying to pull the men apart. All hell broke loose, with police cars and sirens and God knows what. I'm afraid my automatic thought was that someone was abusing the accused boy, for him to think it was normal behaviour.

RickOShay · 21/10/2018 21:48

Nice supportive post there Usedit.
Op I hope you find a way forward, agree with more attention, Doctor Who is a good start.

TheVeryHungryDieter · 21/10/2018 21:49

This is at least the third time you've posted a snarky jibe at me while I'm here looking for help. DS has had a whale of a time with ten of his extended family members today, I'm not needed.

Does it make you feel better to kick a woman when she's down? Is your life that sad, UsedUp? Take a long hard look in the mirror when you're brushing your teeth and you can feel a glow of pride in being so gratuitously mean-girl you've almost made me cry. You've never met me, and you've taken such gleeful joy in snark. Are you not ashamed of yourself or is this only words on a screen to you? It's real life to me.

And. I'm out.

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flamingnoravera · 21/10/2018 21:52

If he was known to social workers he would be on a safety plan. This does need to be talked about with your DH and he does need to understand that a complaint from another parent about your DS doing this could result in a safeguarding or social services intervention.
If you google "safety planning for children showing inappropriate sexual behaviour" you will see the kinds of things that would be put in place by social services and you could do these things in your family and home yourself. It would also (god forbid) show you have taken steps to prevent and halt what you know is in appropriate behaviour.

UseditUpandWoreitOut · 21/10/2018 21:55

You're not looking for help.
You're taking the piss, out of real people with real lives and real triggers.

MNHQ could you please put a trigger warning on this thread's title?