Robbie and Ayda Anyone else uncomfortable with surrogacy in these circumstances?

[Charlottesspider0]

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/09/07/robbie-williams-and-ayda-field-announce-theyve-welcomed-a-daughter-by-surrogate-7922256/amp/

I don’t fully agree with surrogacy for many reasons. Impact on newborn being removed from the ‘carrier’, impact on potential surrogates health. Also, the fact that unless the surrogate is altruistic, even in the uk where there are restrictions on financial payments for surrogacy, it almost will still always involve a financially Richer person compensating a poorer woman.

However in the case of couples who can’t conceive themselves or via ivf, and same sex couples, I can see what leads people to seek surrogates.

However this article makes reference to the use of a surrogate because their work schedules are too busy.
They also have two healthy children.
I find it difficult to accept that they are willing use Another woman’s body to take the risks of childbirth, paticularly in their given circumstances.

I think you want a baby, before your 40th birthday as the article makes reference to, then do it yourself, take the risks yourself and sort out your own work schedule to suit. It’s not like they don’t have the money in the bank to do that.

And if after two healthy children, a third pregnancy doesn’t happen for you, be happy with what you have.

Robbies famous comment likening watching his wife give birth to his first child, to his favourite pub burning down, to me just makes renting another woman’s body even more distasteful.

All consenting adults making their own choices for their own reasons

It's not really your concern what Ayda or the surrogate chooses to do with their bodies.

Spot on, @charlottesspider0

I agree Midwife.

@midwifedreams sex work may involve consenting adults.
However it is an issue, like surrogacy that has ethical implications.
It is also a one that Will likely impact more on women than men, also similar to sex work.
So people, me included, will have an opinion.

I agree with you, op. My body is changed forever after having children; I have back & hip problems, stress incontinence and scar tissue in intimate places.
You can't know at the outset just how much impact a pregnancy & birth will have on your body. There must be a huge amount of emotional turmoil for the mother and the baby.

Is that the reason? (sorry the link isn't clickable and I haven't read the article - I'll google in a moment). Because if they are too busy to have sex and give birth (so about 10 mins and a few hours respectively) then how the fuck are they going to have time to look after her?

Or are they going to get a Nanny to look after all the kids while they are on TV?

I don't get it. And I have zero respect for RW.

Well that’s me not watching this years X factor.

F them.

Wonder what the kid will think when it grows up and learns that mum couldn't be arsed to carry her like her siblings because she was too busy filming X Factor.

@bananamanfan
Me too.
Maybe if I’d had an easy birth like shelling peas I wouldn’t be so concerned about the welfare of surrogates.
But I know the damage birth can do.
And like I say couples where conceive is an impossibility, whilst I wouldn’t say I agree completely with surrogacy, I understand it.
But for a couple with two beautiful children already. It makes me so uncomfortable.

I wonder if people would be more outraged if poor men were selling their kidneys for ‘expense fees’ to other people with perfectly functioning kidneys already. They probably would, if it was a mans health being impacted. But women’s health..... no one cares at all.

I thought the statement saying 'we have had a third child' was horrible. No they fucking didn't

The couple haven't said oh too busy. A "source" is quoted. Not the same so stand down pitchforks, people.

Concerns around surrogacy are valid but don't get het up about something that might be not entirely accurate.

Good luck to them I say. I have no issue with choices other people make.

Maybe there is a physical reason why she couldn't carry this baby and didn't want to discuss her medical history with the world so said this so people didn't speculate about her reproductive system?

Oh they didn't say that themselves? That means we have no idea why they used a surrogate.

Deeply unpleasant and am I the only one who wonders what Ayda’s career was before this stint on X Factor and why she was so busy.

it's rent a womb.

They say the baby is biologically theirs and have acknowledged and thanked the surrogate in the media.(more than some recently)

I agree with you OP this kind of use of a woman's body just doesn't sit right.

I agree with surrogacy up to a point. Celebs just adding to their family in a convenient way is past that point.

That's the statement they've chosen to release, you don't know if there's other, possibly very personal circumstances there that means they need it.

Personally I can't get that worked up about it.

Most people, after having two children and being told they can't have a third, would just accept the blessing of having had two children and not pay someone else to carry one for them.

It smacks of 'we can buy anything'. Not a very nice trait.

I'm uncomfortable about surrogacy in general.

A baby is not a commodity, and neither should a woman's body be.

I can’t imagine it would have been an easy or selfish decision. It’s not ideal for anyone and we have no idea of the circumstances.
Whilst I’m not doubting that women are sometimes exploited in these arrangements it’s not always the case and many surrogates enjoy their ‘job’ and do very well out of it so to speculate and demonise a couple without knowing all the facts is unfair

Grr, meant to quote what theyd said. The other stuff about busy schedules is a source, that means fuck all.

This thread is awful. You literally have no idea why they used a surrogate and that article is just gossipy shit.

I think the only thing that we can judge them on is their statement, not hearsay.

It makes me feel uncomfortable too. But Kim K did it, it’s becoming the norm in their circles I think. If you have 2 healthy children to me it seems strange to need a third and get another woman to gestate it for you.