to ask why people still do not believe that Islamophobia doesn’t exist and therefore doesn’t need an official definition?

You are vile if you go out and attack individuals because of color and religion

Disguise it how you like.
It is racism.

They are failures of the system.
I am talking of individuals who think it is acceptable to attack and loot.

However I accept they have been manipulated by the system.

I apologise, I dont know anything about you.
But please enlighten me how you are qualified to know about every single Muslim or able label every area with a high ethnic makeup as a 'shithole'.

I know some very deprived areas of the UK which are predominately white.
High drug use, high crime low education attainment levels etc.
This is because of lack of investment not because they are white.

Plenty of Muslims are integrated into British society and contributing positively. I know dozens of Muslim women, not one of them is being forced to wear a hijab against their will or banned from socialising. Some don't wear it, some choose to wear it -like my friend who chose to wear it despite her husband preferring her not to.
Don't try and malign all Muslims because your friend's in a shit situation. Plenty of British white women are also in controlling relationships.

I believe it op but I also think it’s aLao anti-migrant which is so prevalent at the moment . They are scapegoats to distract from the failures of governments, thanks to shutting down our economies for two years effectively and printing money to cover thousands if not millions not working but still being paid..but yea inflation and war is all the fault of some migrants . It doesn’t matter that the person wasn’t actually a migrant. It’s also blatant racism .
It’s awful op.
Out of interest, for anyone who saw the opening of the Olympic Games what did they think of the massive mockery of Catholicism thrown in?

This thread is crazy.
Labelling areas with high percentage of Muslims as shitholes, making out that women are forced to wear hijabs.
Have you ever been to some predominantly white areas that are also "shitholes" because there are plenty. Some estates are pretty grim.
Have you seen educated and elegant women in hijabs? Lots of wealthy, educated and professional women wear the hijab all over the world.
I don't agree with it myself (just the same as I don't agree with clothes that are too exposing) but everyone is free to wear what they want.
It's awful how Muslims seem to be blamed for everything and I do feel there's an agenda at play. I've seen so many unsubstantiated (likely fake) stories on Twitter just over that last few days where apparently Muslims are beheading people, beating people up, murdering people.
Also they want to take over the country too. Which is laughable. Even if there's some truth in that, how could a small percentage of a small percentage of the population achieve this?
People have lost their minds.

So one controlling husband warrants stereotyping a whole faith?

So named changed as this is controversial but I have direct experience of an incident in school whereby a white British teenager was called haram consistently and had to leave the school, the final straw being incident involving on of the boys and the police having to be involved. So serious stuff.

since we are talking about the subject we are @AdvicePleas what counsel would you give on this to support a positive perception in a situation like this. This girl is seriously traumatised by the experience and the school couldnt say anything other than let the police deal with it. This was about 4/5 years ago I might add

So what do we do

Yes, I agree it’s down to deprivation, not culture. These recent conversation have been utterly utterly depressing in my view. I also feel the UK is deliberately being divided.

Yes exactly. A lot of these"shit holes" are simply very poor areas. I live in a middle class area has lots lots of well off Muslim doctors, lawyers etc. No one could describe this area as a shit hole.
I grew up in a very white area that also had purely white shit holes - no go areas, full of drugs and crime.
Why anyone would say an area is a shit hole simply because Muslims live there, is beyond me. It's ugly racism, nothing more.
As for Muslims wanting to take over the country - what bollocks. The Muslims I know want to live a quiet life, raising their families. They do a lot for the community and helping others (e.g. Working at homeless shelters every weekend, giving their birthday money to charity arranging community events to raise money for charities). However none of this is ever reported. Only negative stuff that is either untrue or grossly exaggerated.

I also worked with a lovely girl in hospital - she was a pharmacist and we bonded over being young girls in our 20s working in the NHS. She had beautiful long hair and we’d like to chat about fashion, beauty and greys anatomy. After about a year she started wearing a hijab due to pressure from her family. It seemed so at odds to the girl I knew before when we’d chat about hair products and balayage etc. I don’t like that she felt forced to wear the hijab and became a much more subdued version of herself. I know that she would not choose to wear it despite some women saying they want to.

I was born here, went to Pakistan a few times when I was younger. Tried to wear a hijab in my teens but not for me. My dad wasnt bothered. Nor were my family. They just wanted me to be safe and settled. I'm a solicitor. My husband is white and British born. I live in a northern city where there is a very diverse population. I've never had any issues personally with racism until very recently.

I wear a full swimming costume when swimming with my family. I don't need your sympathy thanks, I just don't feel comfortable in a bikini or even a one piece. It's my choice but just because it doesn't fit with what you think is free, why do I need to explain myself over and over. And why is what I and lots of other muslim women choose to wear when swimming, such a huge issue to people who want muslim women to be what is their definition of 'free'.

Look beyond this please. I am a muslim woman. I have a good job. I'm married to someone I fell in love with. I raise my family how I want to. My son has mixed heritage of which I am very proud. My family have never held me back. To me these things represent my freedom, not what I wear when I'm swimming.

And to the poster that said muslim women don't integrate, I'm sure many do. I go to socials at work all the time. I don't drink but I will go to a pub and have a good time with my friends. I don't go to clubs so would not attend those socials. But it's not my activity of choice. Why does going out drinking have to be the only activity of choice and if we don't participate, we are not integrating? I think people like that poster, don't think you are happy until you like what they like and do what they do.

I got through 5 pages and then decided I couldn't read any more of this nonsense. So many hateful anti-Islam and anti-Muslim comments its given me a headache.

Not sure what the right thing to do about a definition is - it hasn't exactly made much of a difference to the Jewish community that there is a definition of antisemitism seeing as people still keep openly being antisemitic on a regular basis.

As a Jewish person with Arab heritage (and name), my family often gets the worst of both worlds 🙃 We receive hate from all sides as people either know/think we're Jewish or think we're Muslim but either way we're apparently to blame for everything that's wrong in the world. So solidarity to any Muslim out there who is currently struggling even more than usual - it's all fucking bullshit and I hope our children are able to be more tolerant and accepting of anyone different to themselves than our generation is.

I won't respond much, because I don't think it would do any good. I will say, I agree with you entirely on your first point - absolutely. But name calling and insinuating others are joining in with the mobs ( as you did with some posters upthread), because you disagree with their viewpoints is also plain wrong. Using the language of hate doesn't achieve much and only serves to further polarise communities. We don't need anymore of that I'm sure you'd agree.

This was supposed to ge for op .sorry

In answer to your question and as this thread demonstrates, sadly Islamophobia is most definitely rife. These one off incidents that people are talking about which they seem to think makes it okay to vilify an entire religion, I’m sure in a lot of cases without ever having met someone who is Muslim.

What do you have no words for? The fact that there are situations happening which are not positive? Thats life.

You asked about Islamophobia and you’ve been given an example of an ingrained culture in a school - you assume it’s my teenager which is not correct - if this how the kids are treating each other, how do you suggest to counter negative perceptions, when certain children are being targeted and bullied because they are from a different religion and culture. To the point it’s unsafe for them to attend that school because they are white British. I am referring to children here, they are far more impressionable than adults to state the obvious.

How do you suggest the school navigates these issues, as they do actually persist today? This is very much to do with the topic you raised you just don’t like some of the responses.

You claim there is an issue but then you should be able to discuss solutions, not shut others down.

Your ethnicity as is mine is completely irrelevant btw but you raised a very triggering topic so you need to be able to discuss the hard parts too. These hard parts include real life examples of things which are not good, so if you want to hypothesise rather start a different thread. What did you want from posting?

Anyway I’ve reported this thread as it’s really not helping matters.