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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maya Forstater's appeal skeleton

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Mollyollydolly · 25/04/2021 13:21

Saw this on twitter and thought it deserved a thread to itself.

As Jason Braler (employment lawyer) says on twitter "It's more a thesis than a traditional skeleton, but it certainly drives home the points from every conceivable angle.
It may also be the only ever EAT skeleton to have 4 references to Orwell"

hiyamaya.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/forstater-eat-claimant-skeleton-argument-plus-low-res-pages-1-50.pdf

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Cwenthryth · 25/04/2021 13:30

To clarify before we share this around, is this something that Maya and her legal team are happy to be shared?

yourhairiswinterfire · 25/04/2021 13:32

Maya has tweeted it herself Cwenthryth, it's her pinned tweet. All good :)

Cwenthryth · 25/04/2021 14:28

Cool just checking :-)

It’s long!

MForstater · 25/04/2021 14:34

Yes. Happy for it to be read and shared and used.

The judgment won't be for months, and in the meantime it might come in handy (share it with your HR department Smile)

On Tuesday morning we will publish the "Skeleton Plus" which has all the background documents and legal authorities attached and hyperlinked. It is a monster of a document!

GNCQ · 25/04/2021 14:40

This is groundbreaking stuff.

Could only skim read I'm afraid but it looks on the surface that a proper shit hot lawyer is standing with Maya and I'm really proud to have been one of many of us to have "dug" for this case.

TabbyStar · 25/04/2021 14:56

Good luck MForstater, you've been amazing!

Fieldoftheclothofgold · 25/04/2021 15:31

It’s excellent. Thank you, Maya. I wish I had your courage.

Mollyollydolly · 25/04/2021 16:06

You're amazing Maya. You and the women at LGB Alliance too are my role models.

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NecessaryScene1 · 25/04/2021 16:16

Who's doing the audiobook version? Grin

Seriously though, this is epic. I was glued to the live tweets all the way through the original hearing, and this is going to be even better.

I remember seeing your original tweet threads and thinking - "okay that's courageous, in her position, or at least foolhardy. Or maybe all those GCs and feminists I've recently come across are exaggerating and there isn't actually a total bar on serious discussion of this stuff."

Turned out the GC feminists weren't exaggerating. But you were absolutely the wrong person to mess with. They struck you down and you've become more powerful than they could possibly imagine.

Good luck - you deserve it.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 25/04/2021 16:23

Looking forward to reading this. Rooting for you Maya Thanks

Zimniy · 25/04/2021 16:57

Thank you for all you’re doing Maya and thanks for sharing this document. I will be drawing on it to help me draft the next email in my correspondence with a quango in the country where I live that now uses gender identity in its surveys rather than biological sex as it is “more relevant.”

By the way, I tried to donate via your crowd fund page and was told it was closed to new pledges and just wanted to check this was right?

Pota2 · 25/04/2021 17:36

Sounds brilliant, Maya. I absolutely hope that you win this. You have a very good legal team.

Concestor · 25/04/2021 17:44

Standing with you Maya. Thank you for doing this.

Odense · 25/04/2021 18:09

They struck you down and you've become more powerful than they could possibly imagine

Perfect.

Plus bonus points for the gratuitous Star Wars quote.

NutellaEllaElla · 25/04/2021 18:57

Thank you Maya, you are a modern suffragette and we owe you a debt of gratitude. Sanity went out the window with the original ruling and I was/remain aghast. The comprehensive document linked is irrefutable IMO. I'll be following with interest.

Campervan69 · 25/04/2021 19:48

Maya you are an inspiration ❤ so proud of everything you are doing.

lionheart · 25/04/2021 20:53

Flowers Maya.

NecessaryScene1 · 25/04/2021 20:58

I'm currently watching Maya being interviewed by the women's deadlift world record holder Zuby.

She's fab.

MedusasBrandyButter · 25/04/2021 21:14

Good luck!

Datun · 25/04/2021 22:39

Right behind you Maya !

GreyhoundG1rl · 25/04/2021 22:41

Bless you Maya. You're strong enough for all of us.

ArabellaScott · 25/04/2021 23:12

Flowers Maya.

Heidi1982 · 25/04/2021 23:50

That is a work of beauty.

highame · 26/04/2021 09:00

On page 14 and will continue later. Fingers really crossed for her. It looks good, some very sound stuff in there and I'm still trying to work out how the Tribunal thought it was ok to 'pick a side' thereby shutting down free speech. Also a bit of a bump

The hearing is this week, so will be glued

Shedbuilder · 26/04/2021 09:10

@MForstater

Yes. Happy for it to be read and shared and used.

The judgment won't be for months, and in the meantime it might come in handy (share it with your HR department Smile)

On Tuesday morning we will publish the "Skeleton Plus" which has all the background documents and legal authorities attached and hyperlinked. It is a monster of a document!

Thank you, Maya. Not a lawyer but (insofar as I can understand it) that's a very impressive skeleton.

That tribunal judge actually did us all a favour by enabling this can of worms to be opened and spread out for all to see. I'm just sorry that you've had all the stress and disruption to your life to deal with but I have every confidence you will be vindicated.

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